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Old 03-14-2014, 04:53 PM   #1
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Default Stopping Power Riddle?

Ok, first off, I am not saying that in any way I believe or trust all of the OSS(one shot stop) % charts out there, but I got to thinking a weird philosophical question on stopping power and here it is- If a 38spl has a 49% oss stopping power with a standard LRN 158gr bullet in a 2" barrel, does a double tap equate to 98% stopping power, or does it stay at 49% oss and give the shooter two chances of 49% oss? Like if I shot a bad guy 5 times, does he have a 51% chance of keeping fighting per shot, and can beat the odds all 5 times and not stop, or does 5 shots equate to 245% oss in which no one could keep fighting because it's more than double what it takes to drop a man?
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Old 03-14-2014, 06:05 PM   #2
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There is no "magic bullet" until you hit something on the order of a 50bmg or 20mm cannon shell...

All those charts and graphs are just methods people use to try and quantify a cause and effect when they want to get around the issue of you HAVING to spend time shooting to get good enough to put rounds center mass.

Self defense boils down to using appropriate ammunituon in a firearm you can land hits middle of the torso of a goblin.

Example, you can be a damn fine shot with a sw governor but if you load it with 410 shells you broke the rule of using adequate ammunition.

Pick a handgun or shotgun or rifle that functions well, load it with good ammunition, practice as much as you can keep a firearm at hand at all times

That is the only time recipe that has been shown to work for as long as man has used weapons for defense. Bout 10,000 years since the first women clubbed the first rapist in the head...
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I would agree with your 245% theory because if all five shots hit the intended button on the bad guys shirt I can pretty much guarantee he's not gonna be in much shape to fight back... But if ya look at other examples there was a popular rapper who took I believe 7 maybe only 6 9mm bullets including one in the face and he went on to continue making albums


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The information was for ONE SHOT stops. Not TWO SHOT STOPS. Different data. One does NOT equate to the other. You can no more add percentages in separate probability events than you can use SpellCheck to change the flavor of your alphabet soup.
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I would agree with your 245% theory because if all five shots hit the intended button on the bad guys shirt I can pretty much guarantee he's not gonna be in much shape to fight back... But if ya look at other examples there was a popular rapper who took I believe 7 maybe only 6 9mm bullets including one in the face and he went on to continue making albums.
I don't much care for rap either, but I think that's a little overboard. Boy! Talk about harsh music critics!
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...You can no more add percentages in separate probability events than you can use SpellCheck to change the flavor of your alphabet soup.
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And if the goblin in on dope or schizoid, half a dozen COM hits will not "put him down on the spot" without a CNS hit.

Handguns just aren't that powerful. None of them.
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And if the goblin in on dope or schizoid, half a dozen COM hits will not "put him down on the spot" without a CNS hit.

Handguns just aren't that powerful. None of them.
Even rifles have issues at times without a cns hit
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Dealing with the Marshall type charts, we also need to remember, they show calculated averages. Also, the sample sizes vary widely, and are not necessarily large enough to have a great predictive value.

Here is a simplified example.

The average air temperatures in San Francisco and Indiana are the same: 57 F. While in SF it is also the most common (median) reading, in Indiana it is a calculated average between -17F and +102, and the actual temperature wasn't 57 F on any given day

That said, the Marshall methodology is sound, just needs to be taken for what it is. (I've been digitally tarred and feathered for defending it)

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