Originally Posted by gymgu
Thanks for the advice (as well as that from others). I like everything about the Dillon but the primers used in the RCBS 2000 can be bought in strips which may be a little easier to load and use than the stacked primers of the Dillon. Some worry about the primer stack of the Dillon going off if the bottom primer were to fire but nobody seems to know first hand that this has happened.
Help me out with your rifle brass process. Are you saying that you are adding powder and bullet seating with the single stage? This would seem to require that you manually load each case with a powder charge and then seat the bullet in the press. Why would you not do the whole thing on the 650 which can be set up to do everything (even place the bullets if you can afford the added hardware)? The only thing I see that looks a little iffy with the progressive is the shaking brass of rifle cases as each stage is indexed. This might result in powder being shaken out between stages. Pistol cases being shorter seem less prone to do this.
When you are loading bottle neck rifle cases you cant do it in one go. You have to size and deprime the cases then trim to length and deburr the case mouths. The 650 means i can run all my sizing priming operations at the same time then trim without handling cases.
Once thats done i can trim and the charge cases with powder then run them through the single stage in the case of 30-06 low volume precision 308 or 223. Or if im cranking out ohsht rounds or practice rounds for the scar17 or bcm carbine i can go back to the 650 and crank em out.
While i shoot a lot of 308 and 223/556 i dont do a lot of batch loading. Most of it is done in 25-50 round lots or less since i load for accuracy a lot. I like to use a rcbs chargemaster electronic powder dispenser for this and having the brass pre-proccessed on the 650 makes it easy for running through the single stage with frequent changes to charge weights and different powders in the same session.
Progressives kind of suck for small batches, frequent powder changes, and or frequent charge weight changes when your building accuracy loads. Thats why people often have both single stage and a progressive. All my pistol ammo is run on the 650 since i pretty much never make changes other than confirming the charge weight when i start.
Some proggressives can have powder jump out but most dont. The dillon tends not to have that happen but it does happen. Mine started out a little clunky but within 500 to 1000 loads the turret smoothed out and its like butter now.
The rcbs strips are very dangerous since if you have a discharge it can daisy chain the strip. Nothing between you and the primers but air. The 650 has a protected primer housing that is between you and the primer tube.
An acquantance of mine managed to get a deprimed berdan case in the mix and set off his primer tube in his 650. All of em blew but he was wearing glasses and the dillon primer shield worked saving him any harm other than a good scare and a short wait to get a replacement tube from dillon. Dillon's priming system is probably the safest one out there.
I do some priming using a rcbs table top primer and it worries me even though its another safe way to prime.
The strips and hand held primers are very dangerous. We have a member here who got shrapnel in his face from hand priming.