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Old 07-24-2013, 05:14 PM   #11
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Thanks for all the advice! I did shoot the plated reloads today and got 23 out of 25 to fire the other two did not chamber as the nose of the rounds hung up in the feed process. I think that is an issue with the cheap 9mm though. I will work on the brass expansion bit. Very happy though!

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If you have small slivers of lead on the outside of the case that is your problem. You are probably not expanding your brass enough. You are shaving a tiny amount of lead as you seat the bullet. I have done that myself when I was first getting started. As far as cleaning, I clean after shooting lead about as often as shooting jacketed ammo. I can shoot an IDPA match with over 100 rounds down range without any trouble at all. I do sometimes get a little lead build up in my barrel. But nothing to worry about. Take a copper "Chore Boy" pot scrubber from K-Mart. Cut it into squares. Wrap it around a regular cleaning brush. Run it through the barrel real fast for about 30 seconds. Clean as new! Don't worry about scratching the barrel. It is made to have copper coated bullet flying 1000 fps out of it. You couldn't scratch it with a Chore Boy if you tried.
I'm having the same problem w/ lead building up on the side of the case, I do flare the case but maybe I'm not flaring it enough. I'm loading 9mm, I'm just now getting back into reloading I used to reload for .357 mag but used factory JHP bullets & now I'm casting my own for the 9mm & hope to buy a pair of handles for the .45 soon.
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I have been trying to get into the reloading scene being I am no longer allowed to play with my explosives (retired). Started loading some 9mm rounds using a Lyman turret press and Lee dies (factory crimp). I am using IMR SR4756 (4.5 gr) and 125 grain round nose lead. My issue is when I fire them through my Tokarov I can shoot 15 to 19 rounds and then my weapon will not go into battery. I know it is probably a lead issue but does anyone know what else I can do to help this along?
It may well be a leading issue. Try this first: Have you done the scientifically named "Plunk Test?
Remove your beautifully clean barrel from your pistol, and drop a finished round into it (El Cheapo cartridge gauge). Does it drop in completely without any assistance whatsoever?
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Check your OAL. You may need to run them shorter to alleviate this problem. If they are a bit on the longish side, you may not run into problems until fouling comes into play. I do know, it takes very little resistance to bring things to a stop,
I run cast in everything. The only similar problem I've experienced was with .45 acp. It was fixed with the Lee FCD, which you already use.

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These bullets were purchased cast and lubed. I have since purchased some plated bullets, which brings me to another question. is there a difference in jacketed and plated rounds when reloading?
Most plated bullet makers recommend lead data, or absent that, low end jacketed. I know Rainier recommends keeping velocities below 1300 fps. I understand that the plating becomes somewhat unpredictable above that.
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Lots of good experienced advice given it could be a leading fouling problem?

What i'm wondering is where did you get your brass to reload for the 9mm?
If it's range brass and you don't know what gun fired them you could be running into the problem of Glock bulged brass? Even with your resizing die set properly there are several manufacturer dies that will not take the very low to the base bulge out of the brass that's been shot from a Glock.

If you can pick up a cartridge gauge for the 9mm,that way after you have resized your brass you can drop each brass in the 9mm cartridge gauge to make sure your brass is sized properly before seating your primer,powder charge and bullet in the case. The cartridge gauge will also check your OAL over all length of the cartridge.

Most of my handguns I cast my bullets for practice in semi autos and revolvers,the only slight problem i've run into with was Glock bulged brass.
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More great info! I have heard of the case bulge issue and still need to get a cartridge gauge. I need to find one online as non of the store I go to have them in stock. Overkill thanks for the reload information for plating.

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As Rick said the case mouth must be properly belled prior to insertion of a bullet. The FCD should remove the belling and SLIGHTLY crimp. Bullet seating and crimping MUST be done in a separate operation.

You may need to play with overall length (OAL). 9mm is a bit picky on length. You want the bullet close to the rifling to minimize the amount of velocity it atttains prior to contacting the rifling. I load 9mm as long as possible and still fit in the magazine.

Cast bullets and plated bullets should be loaded using the same data. Jacketed data is different

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As Rick said the case mouth must be properly belled prior to insertion of a bullet. The FCD should remove the belling and SLIGHTLY crimp. Bullet seating and crimping MUST be done in a separate operation.

You may need to play with overall length (OAL). 9mm is a bit picky on length. You want the bullet close to the rifling to minimize the amount of velocity it atttains prior to contacting the rifling. I load 9mm as long as possible and still fit in the magazine.

Cast bullets and plated bullets should be loaded using the same data. Jacketed data is different
Ok so I just need to go back and look at widening (belling) the case mouth and ensure I use the cast data for the plated bullets. Thanks to all of you! I wish I had found this site a long time ago! Maybe I would have gotten into reloading before the bullet grab went crazy!
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So went out this morning to my reloading station and started to look to see how to widen the case mouth. I guess it would be good to put the stinking die in the turret! Some how I completely missed putting that die in and had made rounds without it. I got it installed and adjusted and my rounds came out looking great and no lead shavings! Thanks again for all the input and I look forward to visiting this site as often as possible!

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Are you resizing the bullet?

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Are you resizing the bullet?
I did not re-size and the belling is has resolved my problems with the reloads. Since my last post I have reloaded well over a 1000 rounds and fired probably half without issue.

Thanks for all your help!

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