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Old 04-26-2014, 01:29 PM   #1
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My student was firing my Sig P938 using 9mm remanufactured ammo from
3-D Inv. Inc. Doniphan NE when the cartridge split open and backfired. It blew the factory grip on the right side to pieces and she was hit in the face by flying debris. Smoke was coming out of the pistol. I had instructed her to wear glasses but she didn't. The brass cartridge, near the base, had a ruptured split in it. I have never seen this before. I am an NRA Pistol Instructor and NC Certified Firearms Instructor, former Law Enforcement. This could have taken her eye out and was a severe example of not wearing safety glasses. I will never again use remanufactured ammo.

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Old 04-26-2014, 01:51 PM   #2
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I had a gun wrecked with factory ammo. Apparently a very hot load possibly a double charge on one round in the box. Gun went bang, bang, bang and boom. No squib to plug the barrel. Similar to what you are describing. It can happen so are you going to stop shooting factory loads too? I have shot many thousands of rounds of commercial reloads and stuff I reloaded with out a problem. I will not shoot a reload someone has done in his garage especially my SILs. I have had more screw ups with factory ammo than reloads.

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The big difference in factory ammo is the company is adequately insured and they issue a recall when the mistake is found. Remanufacturers usually have a poor communication network, so you may never hear about their recall.

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If you are able to identify the brand, load, lot/batch number I'd certainly contact the mfg and pass back the information. The information should be on the inside flat of the box. See what they say.

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any ammo has the potential to have problems, whether it be factory, remanufactered, or reloads done personally.

i would do as suggested and contact the manufacterer of the ammo and give them all the information. they may even reimburse you for the damages to the pistol.

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Jimmy- first, welcome to the forum. When you get a minute, stop by the intro thread and say howdy.

Ref: Remanufactured ammo, and 3 D- I have shot a ton of commercially remanufactured ammo, with no more or less failures than new. 3D was a large player, and has been around for over 25 years. There is a phone listing for them in Doniphan, but can't hookup to their website- they MAY have closed or been bought.

Sounds like a ruptured cartridge case- which could have several possible causes. I WOULD get in touch with them, if you can. And YES- this is why you wear "eyes and ears" when shooting anything. Bear in mind that Winchester and Remington have both had ammo recalls recently- found some rounds had a double powder charge (Whooops!) It can happen to any maker.

I am not uncomfortable shooting commercially re-manned ammo. Amateur handloads? Only my own.

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To me, the bigger foul is the failure to follow established safety rules. The case failure is why such rules exist. It would appear that your student got a cheap lesson in PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) use. The rule needs to be: No Ear & Eye protection, no shooting, no exceptions.
As for the case failure: excrement occurs. Brand new ammo has problems too. Any product is only as good as the quality control of the manufacturer that day, ammo is no exception.

  • It could have been a manufacturing defect/impurity or some such issue that survived the first use of the case, but wasn't willing to tolerate a second.
  • It could have been originally fired in a pistol without full case support (1st & 2nd gen Glocks being the most egregious. Commonly referred to as "Glocked" brass.) Such brass is not exactly rare & it's possible one slipped past the brass inspection process. It's commonly recommended, pretty much everywhere, that brass in this condition (guppy shaped) not be reloaded. Resizing it to spec overworks it, causing it to become brittle/weak.
  • If it was an overcharge, it's probably better that the case failed rather than the pistol - much bigger chunks flying around.
Aside from the sacrificial grip panel, was the pistol actually damaged?
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I had some remanufactured ammo, what I did notice was that more than a few had the bullet set back to far in the case something to look for.

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[*]It could have been originally fired in a pistol without full case support (1st & 2nd gen Glocks being the most likely. Commonly referred to as "Glocked" brass.)
Yet another reason to hate glock.
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Why did you ALLOW a student to shoot w/o glasses?

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