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Old 02-23-2013, 04:37 PM   #21
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The "kill" area on a deer is approx. 6 inches in dia. Most folks shoot no more than 300 yards. A load that produces 2 MOA is perfectly adequate

I will gladly trade off a small amount of accuracy for bullet performance and/or increased velocity.
And where do you see me say I was giving up speed for that accuracy? My 6.5x55, 7mm-08, and 30-06 all shoot max charges with one of their fastest powders, the Sweed is running a full 200fps over factory, the 7mm-08 120fps over factory, and the 06 just under 100fps quicker with it's 165s, only two rifles that I shoot below factory spec are my 308 which is my brush gun anyway, it likes short stubby 150s at 2700ish fps. And my 270 WSM that I backed down to 3140fps on purpose because it was too fast. I think I am hitting them plenty quick enough. I am not giving up anything with the terminal performance of the SGKs either, in fact they are too effective for these small southern whitetail and I am about to work up a different load in the 06 not because poor terminal performance but because I like there to be some deer left to eat. I won't take a load hunting unless I can get it down to an inch, while you are right in the 6" kill zone you have to account for the human element as well, I can shoot one hole groups off the bench but in the filed I doubt I am even an MOA shooter in the freezing cold once buck fever sets in, in fact I would bet against it.
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And where do you see me say I was giving up speed for that accuracy? My 6.5x55, 7mm-08, and 30-06 all shoot max charges with one of their fastest powders, the Sweed is running a full 200fps over factory, the 7mm-08 120fps over factory, and the 06 just under 100fps quicker with it's 165s, only two rifles that I shoot below factory spec are my 308 which is my brush gun anyway, it likes short stubby 150s at 2700ish fps. And my 270 WSM that I backed down to 3140fps on purpose because it was too fast. I think I am hitting them plenty quick enough. I am not giving up anything with the terminal performance of the SGKs either, in fact they are too effective for these small southern whitetail and I am about to work up a different load in the 06 not because poor terminal performance but because I like there to be some deer left to eat. I won't take a load hunting unless I can get it down to an inch, while you are right in the 6" kill zone you have to account for the human element as well, I can shoot one hole groups off the bench but in the filed I doubt I am even an MOA shooter in the freezing cold once buck fever sets in, in fact I would bet against it.
Whoa!!! Never said you were doing anything. Just general comments. when I was younger, I wasted thousands of dollars on components trying to get 1/2 inch groups on big game rifles.
I got a .375 H&H load that shot 3/4MOA, but I lost 200 FPS to do it.

As I grew older and more experienced, I finally cam to realize that if I had a load with good velocity, and a bullet with good performance, I didn't need varmint accuracy to hunt mule deer and elk. Just sayin'
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