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Old 05-27-2013, 12:53 AM   #1
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So, my wife and I have been trying to shoot our M&Ps lately. One is pleasantly used/broken in, and the other is new and I've put maybe 100 rounds through it so far.
When we shoot my reloads, we're getting a failure to eject on almost every shot. I know it's an ammo issue because today we put a box of PMC through them without an issue.
I tend to load my reloads on the low end of the manufacturer's recommended powder charges. I do this because to cut down on recoil for plinking purposes. I'm wondering. If the powder charge is too light to cycle the handgun correctly? Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated.
Here's my recipe I'm currently using: 3.0 grains of Silhouette, 125 grain round nose cast bullets, and Winchester Small Pistol primers. Here's a link to the bullets I'm using: http://shop.snscasting.com/9MM-125-GR-RN-9mm-125RN.htm

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It does sound like an under powered load, try going with a medium load. I usually run less than max load for pistols.

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You also might try firming up your grip a bit. "Limp wristing" can cause that problem, and with a lighter load that can be more noticeable.

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Using r silhouette for a 125 gn jacketed bullet my lee manual says 4.3 to 5 gns 1.035 oal. So I would look into that or maybe get a lighter recoil spring I'd your going to chase light loads, should help with the ejection

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You also might try firming up your grip a bit. "Limp wristing" can cause that problem, and with a lighter load that can be more noticeable.
With respect, I'm not limp wristing. I basically have a death grip on my gun, and I use Talon grips (not the rubber ones. The hard abrasive ones are on my gun). Plus, its happening on every single shot, approximately 6-7 magazines worth today. Not just for me with my compact sized gun, but for my wife in her full sized gun.

I don't think limp wristing is the issue.

Edit: also, as stated in my post, we put a box of PMC today through our guns without a single issue.

Neither of us changed our grip or stance throughout the day.
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Using r silhouette for a 125 gn jacketed bullet my lee manual says 4.3 to 5 gns 1.035 oal. So I would look into that or maybe get a lighter recoil spring I'd your going to chase light loads, should help with the ejection
Interesting, the load data I found on their website said 3.0 was the minimum and around 4.2 (I think, having trouble remembering the max) is the max. I'm gonna just have to buy a reloading manual I guess.

Although i don't get it, since it came directly from their website. You would think it would match the reloading manuals.
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With respect, I'm not limp wristing. I basically have a death grip on my gun, and I use Talon grips (not the rubber ones. The hard abrasive ones are on my gun). Plus, its happening on every single shot, approximately 6-7 magazines worth today. Not just for me with my compact sized gun, but for my wife in her full sized gun.

I don't think limp wristing is the issue.

Edit: also, as stated in my post, we put a box of PMC today through our guns without a single issue.

Neither of us changed our grip or stance throughout the day.
I did not mean to imply that you were limp-wristing. Anyhow, it sounds like the load is too weak in any case. BTW, a "death grip" is not ideal either if you want good accuracy. Somewhere in between is where most shooters find their "sweet spot" for accuracy. It also depends on the gun/caliber you are shooting. I don't have any 9mm, so maybe I should just shut up now...

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Interesting, the load data I found on their website said 3.0 was the minimum and around 4.2 (I think, having trouble remembering the max) is the max. I'm gonna just have to buy a reloading manual I guess.

Although. Don't get it, since it came directly from their website. You would the it would match the reloading manuals.
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I did not mean to imply that you were limp-wristing. Anyhow, it sounds like the load is too weak in any case. BTW, a "death grip" is not ideal either if you want good accuracy. Somewhere in between is where most shooters find their "sweet spot" for accuracy. It also depends on the gun/caliber you are shooting. I don't have any 9mm, so maybe I should just shut up now...
Fair enough. Maybe death grip isn't the right way to put it. I'm not really straining or shaking. Anyway, its prolly just too weak of a load. Thanks for the advice.
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Just looked it up on Ramshot's website and they start at 4.0 grains and list 5.0 as the max load. If you are loading at only 3 grains that is an unsafe load on the low end. You are risking a squib load IMO. I would pull all of those rounds and reload them to 4 grains or more.

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Just looked it up on Ramshot's website and they start at 4.0 grains and list 5.0 as the max load. If you are loading at only 3 grains that is an unsafe load on the low end. You are risking a squib load IMO. I would pull all of those rounds and reload them to 4 grains or more.
Yet another reason why I need a reloading manual. Apparently the internets confuses me... What on earth did I do wrong here...

Oh well, thanks guys. Now, I wonder if Barnes and Noble sells reloading manuals...
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