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Old 10-30-2013, 02:00 AM   #11
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Neck tension only may or may not keep that bullet in place. Theres alot of enertia present upon chambering and recoil. Keep an eye on them for bullet set back. I havent tried any uncrimped bullets in my ARs, so I really cant say.

As far as the chamber goes, you should be fine. Your max length for the magazine is going to be short enough that you wont have to worry about being so long as to jam into the rifling.
I have never needed to crimp any bullet for any caliber AR,and the 223 is at the low end of my spectrum.
If you are using good brass that isn't work hardened,and have your dies set up correctly,you will always have plenty of neck tension holding the bullets right where you seated them in the case.
The inertia in my 458 SOCOM and 260 Remington are far greater than any 223 caliber weapon,and I have no need in crimping them.

TWW,I'll run out to the shop and dig up some of my load data on this bullet for you. I'll be back in a few minutes!
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I'm working up a recipe for a good hunting round, but the data for the bullet I have is a little hard to find. I'm using IMR 4320 and a 65gr Sierra GameKing bullet.

This is the most useful source I have found for this data yet.

http://www.imrpowder.com/data/rifle/223rem-2005mar28.php

It doesn't list a 65gr GameKing, but it lists something called a 63gr SIE SP. I assume this means it's a Sierra Soft Point. Correct?

Here's what's listed.



Would the data for this bullet be ok to use with the 65gr GameKing bullets?
Aaron,Sierra's load data for that powder isn't very good for that bullet. It shows 24.9 grains - 25.7 grains,and the velocity is pretty slow - 2600 to 2700 FPS.

I use H335 for that bullet. I'm using 25.2 grains in my RRA 20" Varminter at around 2900 FPS,and 24.5 grains in my Savage 12 FLVSS. The velocity is almost the same in both rifle's,but the Savage has 6" more barrel length.

H335 and Ramshot TAC are the two preferred powders in the Sierra load manual.
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Aaron,Sierra's load data for that powder isn't very good for that bullet. It shows 24.9 grains - 25.7 grains,and the velocity is pretty slow - 2600 to 2700 FPS.

I use H335 for that bullet. I'm using 25.2 grains in my RRA 20" Varminter at around 2900 FPS,and 24.5 grains in my Savage 12 FLVSS. The velocity is almost the same in both rifle's,but the Savage has 6" more barrel length.

H335 and Ramshot TAC are the two preferred powders in the Sierra load manual.
I've been meaning to try some other powders for .223, I just haven't had the extra funds lately. (will soon though ). IMR 4320 is what I use in my 30-06, so I was making due with it in my .223. It's pretty accurate. I've actually gotten my best group ever using that powder in my .223.

For now, would the 2600-2700 FPS suffice for hunting?

Thanks for the info.
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5 shot group at 100 yards. My personal standards for accuracy demand performance with high barrel temps. Though this group is nothing to write home about, I like this load because it makes holes like this every time, in bolts and semi-autos, and I like the way the 4320 meters as opposed to ball powders and longer cut extrusions. It's my go-to .223 deer load now and it cracks me up because I never would have used those bullets or that powder if the shelves at the store weren't empty. I'm working out some .25-06 loads this weekend, I'll run a few of those .223's through the chrono and let you know where they're at. Good luck!

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I've been meaning to try some other powders for .223, I just haven't had the extra funds lately. (will soon though ). IMR 4320 is what I use in my 30-06, so I was making due with it in my .223. It's pretty accurate. I've actually gotten my best group ever using that powder in my .223.

For now, would the 2600-2700 FPS suffice for hunting?

Thanks for the info.
It'll work fine for the ranges intended as long as your rifle shoots groups them well.
H335 has always been my main 223 go to powder for most bullets.
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It'll work fine for the ranges intended as long as your rifle shoots groups them well.
H335 has always been my main 223 go to powder for most bullets.
I think my local shop sells H335. I'll pick some up next time I'm there and give it a try.

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I like the way the 4320 meters as opposed to ball powders and longer cut extrusions.
I must say, that's the first time I have ever heard or read that.
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I must say, that's the first time I have ever heard or read that.
Carry on.
I guess "meter" is probably the wrong word. I use Hornady's scale and electronic powder dispenser and its a bit finicky to say the least. As you approach the target weight the trickler slows down to a crawl until target weight is reached. The only issue is that the trickler's motor is a bit "jerky" so it oftentimes overthrows ball powders and longer extrusions. Shorter cut extrusions seem to trickle just fine.
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I tested some loads, and found one I liked. My gun didn't seem to like 24grs of 4320 for some reason. It cycled fine, but the grouping was a little bigger than I'd like. It like 25grs ok, but the grouping was still a little off. I tried 25.5grs, and it loved it. The groping was great even with me rushing it a bit (it started raining). It was probably just under MOA (two rounds in one hole, The other a flyer. )

I'm happy with it, so now I just have to adjust the scope a bit and I'm good to go.

Thanks for the help everyone.

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I plan on ordering a crimp die next time I order reloading supplies from Midway USA, but for now the bullets seem to stay where I set them.
All RCBS and Hornady bottle neck rifle dies have a roll crimp built in.
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