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Old 01-31-2011, 11:50 PM   #11
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Tango is right. If you want to shoot well, then get good ammo. Gold Medal Match 168 gr. or learn to load your own. You sorta get what you pay for in ammo too. Stay away from the steel cased crap.

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The .300 Win Mag I have I usually shoot my own loads but I do shoot the Federal gold match as well as the Black Hills match ammo. I find that, at least for this rifle, it has been hard to beat the Black Hills stuff for factory loaded ammunition.

I'd try out the Black Hills 175 gr. match ammunition for your .308 Win. I believe it's a little less than the Federal gold match as well.

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A friend of mine has a Savage 10 Police. He has no interest in handloading, so we tried about 25 varieties of factory ammo looking for a good one.

The Black Hills 175gr was the hands down winner.

FGGM is always a solid performer and CDNN sometimes sales it off for $18.99. The Prvi 168 is way better than the price would dictate, too.

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Federal Gold Medal Match 168 grain: $19.95 - Ammunitiontogo.com
Federal Gold Medal Match 175 grain: $23.99 - Midway

These are the cheapest deals I've found. The black hills started at around $26.95 and went up. Does the seven grains make a $4 difference?

edit: I may also grab a box of those 175gr BH as well, just to see if I'm good enough for the difference to be relevant.

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Federal Gold Medal Match 168 grain: $19.95 - Ammunitiontogo.com
Federal Gold Medal Match 175 grain: $23.99 - Midway

These are the cheapest deals I've found. The black hills started at around $26.95 and went up. Does the seven grains make a $4 difference?

edit: I may also grab a box of those 175gr BH as well, just to see if I'm good enough for the difference to be relevant.
The 168 is GTG to about 600. The 175 takes it out about 300 farther. Most guns shoot them about the same.
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You really should look into relading. It will save you a lot of money in the long run. Buy a quality reloading kit that has just about everything you need to get started except bullets, powder and primers. The IMR 4895 is hard to beat for a powder to get started with.
Get an RCBS or Hornady single stage press kit, stay away from the Lee, even though much cheaper, a quality kit will last longer than you will.
Any load wit the 168 Match bullets will be more accurate out at the 300 yard range. At 100 yards, just about any bullet will shoot pretty darn good from a Savage. No need for a boattail bullet until you get out past 100 yards, they offer no real advantage until you get to the longer ranges.

As to accuracy, if the rifle is not shooting as well as you like, SavageGunsmithing does one heck of a good accuracy package.
If he rebarrels the rifle, he guarentee's it will shoot .3", 5 shots at 100 yards with his recommended hand loads. Most of his rifles shoot far better than .3".
He can accurize one with a stock barrel, but your groups will depend on how good the barrel is. He gets great accuracy gains even with the stock barrel.
He holds the unofficial record at 3000 yards with one of his Savage rifles, 10 shots into less than 48" at 3000 yards, that having 24 feet of holdover. It was a match shoot, not NRA sponsored or it would have been an official record. The smith, Scott really makes the Savages and any kind of other rifle shoot like they have eyes.
He did my rimfire Savage and it shoots in the .1" range, 5 @ 50.
I'm going to give him do my Savage .308 shortly. He's a true Master Riflesmith. He has about a 3 month turn around time, much better than most.

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Federal Gold Medal Match 168 grain: $19.95 - Ammunitiontogo.com
Federal Gold Medal Match 175 grain: $23.99 - Midway

These are the cheapest deals I've found. The black hills started at around $26.95 and went up. Does the seven grains make a $4 difference?

edit: I may also grab a box of those 175gr BH as well, just to see if I'm good enough for the difference to be relevant.
100, 200, 300 yards the 168 gr. will perform well, however, the 175's will net you somewhat tighter groups and will be much better further distance beyond.

Wind will be a factor at 300 yards but not so much. Wind doesn't come into major play until about the 400 to 500 yard range in distance at least with my experience.

As I like to develope my "scope dope" for one or two good loads, I don't like to change up my ammunition bullet grain weight too much as to make me have to have all this info for several different loads of ammo, but thats just me.
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You really should look into relading.
I totally agree. That's why I kept mentioning to police that brass!
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Get an RCBS or Hornady single stage press kit, stay away from the Lee
I totally disagree with that statement. I recently had a great Customer service experience with RCBS, (they gave me a free 10/10 scale part over the phone, no questions asked). But I have read tons of good stuff about the value of Lee presses. Anyway, this is veering off topic a little.
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Some of the lee presses are good, I was given a new 4 station lee turret press, their current one, and the shell holder cants when the shell goes into it, not good, also their powder measures that come in the kits are cheap and the scales are really junk.
I prefer to advise people to buy quality, it will last the rest of their life.

Just my 2 cents.

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