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Old 08-13-2014, 10:54 PM   #11
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that must mean that round packs 3 projectiles
FOUR pieces. Three rotating around a center projectile.
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I tend to think in terms like this; I would not purchase "exotic" ammo to use for self defense. If, God forbid, I ever had to shoot someone I would not like to give the potential prosecutor "ammunition" to depict me as some kind of evil sadist. I load what the local police load for a reason.
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FOUR pieces. Three rotating around a center projectile.
O ya, from the emphasis they put on the 3 equal projectile I figured the center to be some sort of polymer, but we will say 4 so 31 grns per projectile.
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357 double ball loads have been available for a very long time. 3 to 5 000 buck at 70 grains each in a 410 looks more impressive.
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131 ft lbs. About in the .22 LR category.







Hey! Maybe that's it! Everyone always talks about what a DEADLY round the .22 LR is.....



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Yet another answer in search of a question. Each lightweight projectile lacks sufficient mass to cause incapacitating wounds. The "hit" probability is even better with #8 shot, it just does not carry enough energy at range to stop the target.
But... It looks soooo cool hitting paper!

The sad part is that it will still sell... It's got that "gimmick" angle so these guys will cash in.
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That must be why they only show examples of it striking paper targets.
Hey... Those paper targets can be nasty.. .. every get a paper cut!

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But... It looks soooo cool hitting paper!
Take that you vicious paper!
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357 double ball loads have been available for a very long time. 3 to 5 000 buck at 70 grains each in a 410 looks more impressive.
Yeah, and probably about 20 times as effective. I can fit 2 or 3 balls of buck in a .357 case and a light powder charge. And it would probably even penetrate! I have some stubby 145 gr. .458 bullets that I have been meaning to try tripled up in a 45-70.

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131 ft lbs. About in the .22 LR category.


Hey! Maybe that's it! Everyone always talks about what a DEADLY round the .22 LR is.....



About as deadly, if you could somehow flatten out the bullet, and make it hit sideways....

I think I would trust a shotgun loaded with rock salt more!
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If the ammo doesn't have LE in the product number I am probably not interested. I want ammo that is going to stop a bad guy, not provide temporary entertainment to the goblin as burns the village and rapes the women.
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Yeah, and probably about 20 times as effective. I can fit 2 or 3 balls of buck in a .357 case and a light powder charge. And it would probably even penetrate! I have some stubby 145 gr. .458 bullets that I have been meaning to try tripled up in a 45-70.



About as deadly, if you could somehow flatten out the bullet, and make it hit sideways....

I think I would trust a shotgun loaded with rock salt more!
Someone gave me some of the double ball 357 loads and they were marked LE. There is nothing light about the 357 load. The balls will hit about 1" apart with the 2nd ball being higher and slightly right. Velocity will depend on barrel length but it is not a light load. I will stick with the 125 or 158 grain loads though.
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