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Old 03-30-2014, 12:11 PM   #1
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Default Liberty Civil Defense 9mm 50 Grain +P Lead Free Hollow Point Ammo

Liberty Civil Defense offers this ammo it is reasonably priced ($14 for 20). Has any tried this ammo?

With comparable velocity to an FN 5.7x28mm, the Liberty Civil Defense ammo is a 50 grain, lead-free, monolithic hollow point round that generates muzzle velocity of greater than 2000 feet per second for your 9MM. This round has significantly increased accuracy and penetration with reduced recoil vs traditional 9MM hollow point ammunition.This round has unparalleled stopping power and terminal effects. Designed for use with firearms rated for +P ammunition.
See the Liberty Civil Defense 9MM ballistics test here.
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50 Gr Muzzle Energy:
444 ft lbs Muzzle Velocity:
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I found some tests on youtube. This ammo lacks penetration. Instead of expanding the bullet fragments. If the bullet expanded instead of fragmenting Liberty Civil Defense might be on to something.

http://youtu.be/5ANbs9bCC_A

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Old 03-30-2014, 12:36 PM   #2
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Dramatic expansion and adequate penetration are mutually exclusive terms, especially in 9mm. Selling hype. Stick to a good bullet, Speer Gold Dot!

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Dramatic expansion and adequate penetration are mutually exclusive terms, especially in 9mm. Selling hype. Stick to a good bullet, Speer Gold Dot!
Gold Dots are what I am shooting now. At $30 for 50 rounds it is hard to find a better bullet for the price. I am exploring right now because I need to order some HP ammo. It looks like I will be ordering more Gold Dot ammo.
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I chrono'd the 9mm rounds at 2180 fps out of my CZ P01. Incredible velocity from a 9mm handgun. They are very accurate bullets. I had to put down an injured deer after its leg was broken when hit by a car. One shot to the head and the deer dropped instantly without so much as a leg twitch. I've put down a lot of deer and I've only seen that kind of incapacitation from a 3" 12 guage 00 buck or a slug.

I know everyone says they are hype but I'd like to see more data before writing them off.

We plan on testing them on ballistic vests this spring. It will be interesting to see if they can defeat a level 3 vest.

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Stuff might be ok, but 50 grains just seems way too light for my liking, plus the fact that they named their ammo after a video game franchise doesn't help either.

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Why would you want to turn your 9mm into a 22 mag.?

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I chrono'd the 9mm rounds at 2180 fps out of my CZ P01. Incredible velocity from a 9mm handgun. They are very accurate bullets. I had to put down an injured deer after its leg was broken when hit by a car. One shot to the head and the deer dropped instantly without so much as a leg twitch. I've put down a lot of deer and I've only seen that kind of incapacitation from a 3" 12 guage 00 buck or a slug.

I know everyone says they are hype but I'd like to see more data before writing them off.

We plan on testing them on ballistic vests this spring. It will be interesting to see if they can defeat a level 3 vest.
I saw enough data when the 50 gr bullet fragmented. They need to figure out how to keep the bullet together. A federal Hi Shok with a +P load has a similar would channel with adequate penetration but the Federals cost $22 for 50.
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Inadequate penetration. You would be better off using a 115 grain fmj or even a 380acp at 90grain fmj. Least you would get a full 14"

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I have used them. I bought into the hype. I carried them for a bit, and then i finally went to the range with them (I know, that order is supposed to be reversed). They are CRAP! Recoil was worse, by far in my LC9 than when I shot HSTs. WORSE recoil, not lighter as they claim. Also, the round was not nearly as accurate as an HST. I'm no sharp shooter, but I'm fairly accurate and confident in my ability to keep a small grouping at 10 yards. Not with these things. Holy Crap! Don't get me wrong, I don't want to get shot by one of these, but then again, I don't want to get hit with a stick either...

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