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Old 08-18-2009, 02:08 AM   #31
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In regards to legal justified DEFENSIVE shoots (aftermath of deadly force), either law enforcement or civvie, I'm calling BS on that statement. The simple act of picking up your emptys automatically tampers with evidence. Please explain who in law enforcement teaches that. Regular target practice differs a wee bit from actual shoots. Perhaps robocop (or others) who IS actively involved with law enforcement can help shed some light into this practice of picking up your emptys after a shoot. Either I'm reading this wrong, you're not conveying your ideas right, or somebody is making things up. If I'm wrong, I apoligize but I doubt I'm wrong. Please tell me how you can legally pick up your emptys in the aftermath of justified deadly force without tampering with the scene.

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Well I happened to live by the gun for a long time first as a law enforcement officer, and then as a PI and bail enforcement agent, so maybe you dont know so much about me after all. I dont shoot offensively.

We were taught to always pick up our empties and I do that to this day. If we are going into a strange area, we use revolvers. Picking up my brass has nothing to do with tampering with a scene. Leaving it, is fodder for the lawyers.
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:29 AM   #32
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He can't legally say he could or can Bear, he just did what he could get away with at the time. I call BS too. And if it isn't, thank you very much sir for exposing these cheap sh!t tricks the law must use to fabricate case evidence.

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Picking up the empties could be a quick trip to prison for 2-10 in Texas. Tampering with evidence is a Felony. Even if the shooting turns out to be justified, you are running a pretty high risk of some D/A (politician) trying to make a name for himself by running you through the ringer.

CSI is complete Bull Sh!t! Tool marks? Chemical analysis of the powder? Unless you shoot a very high profile person, these issues will NEVER be brought up. 99% of such shootings are treated like "Public Service Homicides". The recipient of said Pb injection is usually the holder of a long and illustrious criminal history (contrary to what his family will try to portray). Even DNA cannot be completed by the next commercial break, even if the POTUS is the victim.

If you happen to shoot the nare-do-well son of the Police Chief, You will be better off using factory ammo.

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[QUOTE=W. C. Quantrill;146218]Ewwww,,,

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Well I happened to live by the gun for a long time first as a law enforcement officer, and then as a PI and bail enforcement agent, so maybe you dont know so much about me after all. I dont shoot offensively.
You "lived by the gun"??? We're talking the 21st Century here, not Dodge City...


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We were taught to always pick up our empties and I do that to this day. If we are going into a strange area, we use revolvers.
Who exactly is "WE", and what is meant by "going in to a strange area? Are you saying the LE uses black-ops, ninja tactics? Or is this the mentality of the "Dog the Bounty Hunter's" of the world?

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Picking up my brass has nothing to do with tampering with a scene. Leaving it, is fodder for the lawyers.
WTF are you smoking pal? Do you don latex gloves before you leave the house also? Don't forget to degrease all your brass also, there might be an errant finger print somewhere...


As far as CSI being BS, I agree to a point. Tool marks being BS? Maybe in Texas where you can legally shoot someone for cutting across your lawn, but I know for a fact that if you shoot someone on a street in NYC the casings WILL be sent to the ballistics lab. Any ballistician earning his pay will note in his report that the retrieved cases were reloads. What happens after that is not so clear cut because shootings are not always clear cut, which is why we have month's long investigations after a shooting...the simple solution to a potential legal nightmare is to carry factory loads. Not to start a war here, but what's SOP in some states isn't necessarily so in other more restrictive state's.
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Ewwww,,,

Well I happened to live by the gun for a long time first as a law enforcement officer, and then as a PI and bail enforcement agent, so maybe you dont know so much about me after all. I dont shoot offensively.

We were taught to always pick up our empties and I do that to this day. If we are going into a strange area, we use revolvers. Picking up my brass has nothing to do with tampering with a scene. Leaving it, is fodder for the lawyers.


OMG you just don't get it. We pulled your card and your card was a joker. Because well your an effing JOKE. I don't care who you are picking up brass after a shooting will get you a stint in the pokey cut and dry.
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