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Old 12-09-2011, 10:28 PM   #11
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Just went through the wife's purse... What I found wasn't small at all... I don't think I'll be using THAT for reloading.

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I use IMR4831. 3000fps max velosity. I run them at 2900. I'm not sure why you want a slower burning powder. 4831 is pretty much the standard. RL22 is about the same burn rate for less $. This is for 160gr loads. Data shows the 175gr can be pushed a little faster without increaseing pressure, so the 168 should be the same.
You do state some good points there. I have a buddy who is a firm believer in a version of 4350 for about everything. Shooting a 4831 or 4350 variant would be a good idea because I could use it for my 7mm and 270.

Would it be a fair statement that I should be able to reach 2900fps with about any of these powders with accuracy, or would that thinking be a little too optimistic? I don't mean in every case, just most cases.

From what I have read from on some of the long range forums and this forum about the 7mm, in a lot of cases that 2900fps range seems to fair the most accurage for them. Once again, not all cases, just most cases. I don't think 2900fps would be too much to ask out of a 4831 or 4350 style powder, would it?
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HOLY CRAP MAN are you trying to kill someone? Sorry that is one of the DUMBEST things I have read.

1st. Max loads hardly ever give you the best accuracy.

2nd seeing as you are starting out man I would stick to loads that are not so high. If you mess up on a max load BOOM. If you mess up on a middle of the range load you get a little more or less velocity.

3rd I have found in my 30+ years that all of my loads that produce the best accuracy are filled to the bottom of the neck to the bottom of the shoulder.

To load a compressed load the long drop tube is your best friend.
compressed loads arent usually max loads. its just powder that is very bulky.

i didnt say take a dowel and a hammer and smash the hell out of it till it goes squish!! you also dont grind it like a mortar and pestle. gently pressing with a dowel is much less force than when the bullet compresses the powder charge.

you obviously have never loaded for rounds like the 458 winmag where heavily compressed charges have to be loaded and compressed in stages just to get middle powered loadings.

some cases require both drop tubes and compressing the charge BEFORE the bullet is seated to use certain powders. those powders are often the most reliable for accurate results.

i started reloading and working on heavily compressed cartridges in the mid 80's

anyway thats why i listed several different techniques for compressing the charges. pick what ya want
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yes it works well actually. just hold it in hand turn it on and go from there. just keep the case mouth covered with a finger. works fantastic on flake or ball powders. not so much on stick powder
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You do state some good points there. I have a buddy who is a firm believer in a version of 4350 for about everything. Shooting a 4831 or 4350 variant would be a good idea because I could use it for my 7mm and 270.

Would it be a fair statement that I should be able to reach 2900fps with about any of these powders with accuracy, or would that thinking be a little too optimistic? I don't mean in every case, just most cases.

From what I have read from on some of the long range forums and this forum about the 7mm, in a lot of cases that 2900fps range seems to fair the most accurage for them. Once again, not all cases, just most cases. I don't think 2900fps would be too much to ask out of a 4831 or 4350 style powder, would it?
W/ 160..175gr it seems to be that way. I've used 4320 and 4064. Both have more felt recoil. W/ 4831 my 160gr loads chrono at 2953fps average. 61gr exactly. Max is 63gr. CCI Magnum primers (250) and Remington brass. I don't use short cut as I scale every round.
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i found load data for the 7mm rem. mag. in Nosler's volume #6 that works great in my Remington M700 SPS. 140gr ballistic tip bullet, starting load of 50.0gr of IMR4895 powder using CCI Magnum rifle primers. i got to 52.0 gr of powder and still nedd to fine tune a little. i like the IMR4895 powder for this rifle better than the IMR4064 or IMR4350 because recoil is lessened quite a bit. i can shoot 50-70 rounds of this load in a day of target shooting with no pain the next day. with the IMR4895 powder, 50.0gr is only 71% case volume, and has a MV of 2900 fps, at 52.0gr, volume is 73% and MV is around3000 fps. less recoil good MV, for me this load works great and have had some very good results with accuracy so far.
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Is there a way to anticipate recoil differences between powders based on speed or something? Where does Reloader 22 fall for recoil?
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Is there a way to anticipate recoil differences between powders based on speed or something? Where does Reloader 22 fall for recoil?
newton's law. if powder charge x drives the bullet 1fps faster than powder charge y powder charge x will have more recoil. that is if the same weight bullet is used in each
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newton's law. if powder charge x drives the bullet 1fps faster than powder charge y powder charge x will have more recoil. that is if the same weight bullet is used in each
fair enough. I didn't think there was some great science to it, and now I know. lol
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Is there a way to anticipate recoil differences between powders based on speed or something? Where does Reloader 22 fall for recoil?
speed of powder is proportionate to recoil. faster burning powders will have more felt recoil than slower burning powders in the same case. this is why Hornady ammo has more felt recoil than other ammo, they are using very fast burning powders to acheive faster muzzle velocity.
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