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Old 12-15-2013, 02:18 AM   #41
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The Winchester .32 Special was a cartridge of necessity. The 30-30 was introduced in 1895 in the new Mdl. 94 Winchester. The .30 WCF was the first smokeless powder round to be offered by Winchester.
Winchester wanted to sell the Mdl. 94 rifles. They hit a bump in the road very fast. Hunters and shooters had tons of Black Powder for reloading. They were not buying the 30 WCF as it did not do well with BP Loads. Winchester then offered the .32 WCF designed for B/P in the Mdl. 94. This allowed the sales of the Mdl. 94 to move forward. The .32 WCF then became a smokeless round. The .30 WCF eclipsed the .32 WCF.
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A friend of mine was talking at work one day about his uncle's Winchester M94. He said it wasn't a .30-30 but he didn't know what it was. He kept talking about his uncle's ability with the old gun; said he shot a coyote at 75 yards and what a wonderful gun it was. I asked if he would let me look at it and he said yes. I stopped by his house one day on the way home and, sure enough, it was an old Winchester .32 Special. No bluing, rough looking, but in good shooting condition. Then he said he would sell it. Well, I left without the gun but he brought it up at work later that week. It just so happened I had a $50 bill on me and took it out and rubbed the two halves of the folded bill together never thinking it would take me up. He did and I was the proud owner of a .32 Spl. Never had one before and I took it out to shoot as I was impressed with his uncle's 75 yard shot. At 50 yards, sandbagged, it was a foot right. I guess his uncle was luckier than I when shooting at coyotes. I worked on the rear sight and got it sighted in and still use it in long-range cowboy matches. I've shot deer with it and have had lots of fun owning and shooting it. Still hard to find ammo for the old gal but when I do, I snatch it up.
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The .32 Special is easy to reload. Just fire form 30-30 brass in your .32 Special and load with a .321 caliber bullet 8.2 MM.

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The .32 WCF is easy to reload. Just fire form 30-30 brass in your .32 WCF and load with a .321 caliber bullet 8.2 MM.
i have my fathers old 32 W.S. reloading dies that i hope to add a model 94 rifle so i can use the dies!

and the 32 W.S. is easy to form from 30-30 brass. i ran a few old 30-30 cases thru them just for grins and loaded some 170 gr. SP in them and made some dummy rounds.
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Axx, I bought my Mdl. 94 30-30 in the early 1960s. It was made in 1958. When I bought it there was a Mdl. 94 .32 Spec. for sale. The rifles had consecutive serial numbers. There was no way I could afford 2 rifles in those days.
The .32 Spec. rifles are very accurate with cast bullets. Any of the 8MM molds will work. Then of course you must have a flat point.
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lets open a discussion of one cartridge that i came to know about 12-14 years ago through my father. the 280 Remington. though not rare, but not very common here in my area. it took me on search that lasted about 10-12 years until i found one in a rifle i could afford. i was looking for a rifle in that cartridge and the as long as it was a bolt action and i could afford it, i was going to buy one. i found one in an older Ruger M77V, ( circa 1978) with a 24" heavy barrel and in very good condition for $499, which haggled down to $470. it became a part of my collection 7mm calibered rifles which i am trying to grow.

well i brought it home, and tore it down and did a deep cleaning of everything and mounted a scope on her, my Swift Premier 6-24x50. got it bore sighted and then finalized the sighting in at 50 yards. then proceeded to get some really good groups, some of which were almost one ragged hole groups at 100 yards. it is scary accurate with factory ammo. i am still working relaods that will duplicate what i have acheived with the the factory ammo. have gotten close, but still have some work to do with the reloads.

IMO, the ballistics are even better than the 270 which i have liked for many years, and almost come close to the 7mm R.M. i could almost replace two rifles with my 280 Rem. if i needed to downsize for any reason. any type of hunting in North America, short of dangerous game can be done with a 280 Rem., if proper bullets and shot palcement are observed IMO.

it took me many years to find a 280 Rem. rifle, but it was worth it in the long run and so far am not disappointed in the least. i found one at price i thought very decent and reasonable, in a very good condition, needing only some cleaning and a scope mounted. i am very pleased with adding this rifle to my collection, and glad my father gave me some insight into the cartridge many years ago. thanks Dad!
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AXX great story about a very neglected cartridge. The .280 can push the 7MM Remington with less fuel and a non-belted brass. As you are aware the .280 was created for semi-auto rifles and the pressures were reduced making it less than stellar in the hunting field.
Remington woke up one day and for 2 years roll marked the Bolt Action 700 as the 7MM Remington Express. They later roll marked them as the .280 Remington.
If you have a bird dog named "Ike" and he does not hunt changing his name to "Roy" won't change the dog. Remington should have pushed an improved factory round for the .280.
But then why should they? By 1959 they had adopted Les Bowens 7MM Magnum wildcat based on the new rage a belted case. Bowen a Wyoming Elk guide out of Sheridan, Wyo. had already made his 7MM a legend. Bowen's 7MM Elk smasher was loaded and barreled for the 175 gr. .284 bullet. Remington yielded to white tail hunters and stared loading lighter bullets. The 7MM Mag. is now known as being too destructive an too much meat damage. Damn marketing any way.
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AXX great story about a very neglected cartridge. The .280 can push the 7MM Remington with less fuel and a non-belted brass. As you are aware the .280 was created for semi-auto rifles and the pressures were reduced making it less than stellar in the hunting field.
Remington woke up one day and for 2 years roll marked the Bolt Action 700 as the 7MM Remington Express. They later roll marked them as the .280 Remington.
If you have a bird dog named "Ike" and he does not hunt changing his name to "Roy" won't change the dog. Remington should have pushed an improved factory round for the .280.
But then why should they? By 1959 they had adopted Les Bowens 7MM Magnum wildcat based on the new rage a belted case. Bowen a Wyoming Elk guide out of Sheridan, Wyo. had already made his 7MM a legend. Bowen's 7MM Elk smasher was loaded and barreled for the 175 gr. .284 bullet. Remington yielded to white tail hunters and stared loading lighter bullets. The 7MM Mag. is now known as being too destructive an too much meat damage. Damn marketing any way.
Nitestalker, i think you and i are the two biggest fans of the 280 Rem. on this forum!

i came late to the game on the 280 myself, but after now owning and shooting one and what i hav found out about the history of it, i have become a huge fan of the round. it's an awesome cartridge that rivals the 7mm R.M., (which is another favorite of mine) without being a belted magnum case.

the 280 Rem. was overshadowed by the 270 because of Jack O'Connor and the gun mags of the time. the 270 was a great cartridge, but i fell the 280 offers a bit more as far as ballistics, and gives almost as much as the 7mm R.M. without the heavy recoil of a magnum cartridge.
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Axx I think if the .280 had been chambered in the Mdl. 54 and Mdl. 70 it would have been popular. The .270 and the .280 in those days were limited by a lack of bullet selections.
I started out with a Mdl. 70 .270 back in my younger days. I like others soon discovered that the .270 bullets were not always reliable about expansion. Back in the days bullet companies had problems making good bullet jackets for .277 bullets. The 7MM bullets were often limited to military style and not hunting bullets. Thankfully these problems no longer exist.
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Axx since we are on the 30-06 and its spin offs, I suggest the 25-06 for review.
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