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Old 12-11-2013, 12:10 AM   #21
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Nitestalker brought up the 220 Swift. also one of my favorites from many years ago. hasbeen around for a longtime and one of the first really fast varmint rounds. i have had three or four rifles in 220 swift and really enjoyed shooting the round.

so lets start a discussion about the 220 Swift. your ideas, advice, opinions and anything you can think of about the 220 Swift. likes or dislikes.

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With many states (mine included) limiting big game hunting to a .243 bullet or bigger I would rather have a cartridge like the .204 Ruger rather than the 220 Swift since it would be exclusively a varmint, vermin, or paper punching cartridge. I don't own one of them and due to the fact that it is a semi-rimmed cartridge I would rather go for an entirely rimless cartridge for a bolt action rifle or semi-auto. It seems like it is kind of disappearing from shelves because there seem to be better options available.

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With many states (mine included) limiting big game hunting to a .243 bullet or bigger I would rather have a cartridge like the .204 Ruger rather than the 220 Swift since it would be exclusively a varmint, vermin, or paper punching cartridge. I don't own one of them and due to the fact that it is a semi-rimmed cartridge I would rather go for an entirely rimless cartridge for a bolt action rifle or semi-auto. It seems like it is kind of disappearing from shelves because there seem to be better options available.
there are still rifles chambered in 220 Swift and still factory ammo available for it. while it may lack in popularity as other cartidges, i doubt it will disappear totally. it's been around too long and there are still people who enjoy shotting and hunting with the 220 Swift. also seems like every so often, it becomes the new-old cartidge that everyone is bragging about.

i just don't see it dying off and becoming obsolete anytime soon. are there better options than the 220 Swift? well that is subjective. look at the 30-30. been around a long time as well. compared to many other cartridges, it is kind of obsolete, but still it hangs in there year after year, and people still keep buying rifles and ammo. while the 220 Swift doesn't have the same popularity as the 30-30, it too, still hangs in there year after year. every so often, it bcomes new again.
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I have no experience with the Swift, but at 3800+fps is it a "barrel burner"?

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I have no experience with the Swift, but at 3800+fps is it a "barrel burner"?
some of the really hot loads exceeded 4300 fps with small bullets! i have heard of loads that were in excessof 4500 fps, but i read about those years ago and have no proof those were fact.

but anytime you take a large case and put a small bullet in it and try and drive that bullet very fast and extreme velicities, there is the chance that they can erode chambers and bores out faster than normal. lots of conjecture about whether this is true or not. thuse the reason the 22-250 got better press is that it was a smaller case, driving the smae bullets, at near the same velocities as the 220 Swift.

some theorize that many of those older 220 Swift barrels weren't wore out, just had extreme fouling that wasn't cleaned properly. i don't know, but i never shot one out,but how many rounds does it take o wear out a barrel on a 220 Swift? again something i don't know. but i also figure powder technology has improved since the 1940's as well and we probably have much better powders available that shouldn't have the effect of wearing out the barrels. i geuss using some powders and shooting a lot of rounds it's possible to wear a barrel out. myself, i am still somewhat undecided on the subject.

i do know from the ones i have had, they drive bullets pretty dang fast, even the factory ammo. like about 4100-4200 fps for some factory loads.
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here's a wikipedia link to some information and history of the 220 Swift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.220_Swift

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I agree that the swift wont completely disappear, because there are plenty of rifles chambered in it, but new manufacture 220 swifts are few and far between. I just think that there are newer cartridges that seem to do it better; 204 Ruger, 223 WSSM, and, of course, the classic 22-250. If I were in the market for a gun like this I would gravitate toward the first or last one due to the likeliness to be able to find that ammo.

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I agree that the swift wont completely disappear, because there are plenty of rifles chambered in it, but new manufacture 220 swifts are few and far between. I just think that there are newer cartridges that seem to do it better; 204 Ruger, 223 WSSM, and, of course, the classic 22-250. If I were in the market for a gun like this I would gravitate toward the first or last one due to the likeliness to be able to find that ammo.
nothing wrong with those choices and they are in the same league as the 220 Swift in regards to ballistics.

personally i don't base all of my rifle buying decisions based on ammo availablity anymore. years ago when i didn't reload, yes it was a factor, and it did limit my shooting sessions with some rifles i have owned in the past. but with the fact that i reload, i wont pass on some rifles like i might have in the past. many times, ammo is just a set of dies away!

and i do like the history and the nostalgia of the 220 Swift as well.
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I don't think any general caliber discussion is complete till you've

looked at the 30.06. Born of war, revered for over a century

nationwide. Father to over a dozen other calibers.

I reload, and it's great to go afield with 110, 150, 165, 180,

and 220 grain bullets all in the same caliber. With 100 or

110 grain bullets, it's a premier varmint and pest control load,

almost like a magnum, as long as you don't mind tearing up

the hides, somewhat.


The new hunting rifle is fun, but it's also a good time to punch

paper with the old Springfields.

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Axx has made a good case as he has experience with the "Big" .22. The Swift a wild Cat was commercialized by Winchester in 1935. It was chambered in the then soon to be Legendary Mdl.70. These rifles came out with SS steel iron coated and blued barrels. Going back to 1935 their has been many wild cats and commercial challengers but the Swift remains the choice of long range .22 Varmint rigs.
The Swift has a very friendly case for the re-loader which is at home in the single shots as well as bolt actions. It has a maximum size case for .22 bullets up thru 70 grs. It is the cartridge for the advanced rifleman because the size of it's engine can allow running some high pressure. On the High Plains it is the choice for small and large varmints. We notice the first thing a Dude hunter will say about any long range rifle is its a barrel burner.

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