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Old 12-08-2013, 04:13 PM   #11
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I don't own a 45-70 or even a lever gun. Never found the need or desire, until now.

I feel I should have at least one rifle that shoots lead bullets well. I'm thinkin a Marlin in 45-70 is right up my ally, but I don't know much about these rifles or the cartridge. I could use some help.

Besides being belted instead of rimmed and 100fps, what is the difference between 450 Marlin and the 45-70? Does one feed better or worse than the other?

Help me decide.
The marlin 1895 is a great rifle. Highly recommend it. I use their 1895gbl. If your looking for a lead bullet shooter the newer marlins are better than the old microgroove jm stamped marlins as the new ones use cut rifling or ballard style.

The difference is that max bit more juice you get with the 450. The problem with the 450 is its almost extinct as a cartridge hard to find ammo and brass.

Most of the factory shelf ammo for the 45-70 is pretty weak barely better than 357mag. You dont get good reaults with a 45-70 unless you handload. Its one of those rounds you need to load for anyway as the price of shelf ammo is ridiculously high for under powered junk.
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I do not own a 45-70. But a friend let me fire a couple rounds from his Marlin lever gun. Very nice gun. I have been looking for a 45-70 barrel for my Thompson Contender. I have seen them on the internet. But Thompson did not make one themselves. I am a little concerned that the frame may not really be strong enough. Anybody here with any experience?
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The only .45-70 I've ever shot was an H&R Handi Rifle with some hot 500 grain reloads my buddy let me shoot. It kicked like a mule, and I loved it. It made me want one.
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i have shot the 45-70 in a couple of Ruger #1's and a couple of reproduction Sharps rifles. this summer i added the Marlin 1895 Guide lever action to that list of rifles in that cartridge.
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The 45-70 was developed for use in the Springfield Trap Door. It replaced the post Civil War 50-70 round. The 45-70-405 became a standard laod for the military. The government accuracy standard for this round was 4 inches at 100 yards fired from a sand bag rest.
The standard training targets were 6'X6' a good marks man using this load could make consistent hits at 600 yards. The 45-70 was actually copied from a short .45 X 1 7/8s Sharps. The earlier Buffalo rifles used heaver charges of powder in order to shoot heavier bullets at longer ranges. The "Big" Sharps rifles could fire bullets of over 700 grs. The hide hunters set up at 300 yds almost always using scopes of 6X to 10X. They would when possible line 2 Bison killing two at a time and then retrieve the lead bullet.
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From what I read from Teddy Roosevelt about buffalo hunting he described killing the matriarch of the herd and then they mill around till a new matriarch is chosen then shoot and repeat, that is how he described watching a herd get decimated (cannot remember the name of the book--but it was pre-presidency). I did not realize the 45-70 came out so late, but you can shoot the 45-90 and the 45-70 in a 45-110 chamber and I imagine the 45-110 has been around a long time (probably in the Sharps configuration).
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There are also stories of the 45-70 being used as a shot gun. Meaning that the case was somehow stuffed with a wood plug with bird shot underneath as a means to supplement troop rations. Anybody heard this story?

Edit....I just found it on a google search...anyone have substantiated evidence of this.

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There are also stories of the 45-70 being used as a shot gun. Meaning that the case was somehow stuffed with a wood plug with bird shot underneath as a means to supplement troop rations. Anybody heard this story?

Edit....I just found it on a google search...anyone have substantiated evidence of this.
Troops do all sorts of wacky stuff with shells. Like turning 308 blanks into shot shells to fire out of a m60... dunno HOW I know that...
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Here are a few pcitures of ctgs in my collection. The Mckeever pouch is orignal and is full of various rifle and carbine ctgs. It includes copper case inside primed and tin plated ctgs as well as later brass cases. The other includes pictures of 500 grain and 405 grain ctgs. There are two wooden "bullet" shot ctgs and a round ball ctg. The four are various styles of blanks.
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Thanks for the pics those are very nrat
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