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Old 11-01-2013, 01:40 AM   #11
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Years ago I shot Pheasants over dogs and used Target loads ? Yes I was young and dumb . I shot fast at going away pheasants and out of three I had one good kill . (dog get the others) I was using 71/2 shot and it just rolled under the Feathers .
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KeyBear the #7 1/2 Trap loads are effective over a close working dog.They are not the best choice but as you said a strong retriever is needed
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Thank you for the fantastic picture! Brings back great old memories. How old is the pup?
A buddy of mine and I use to raise English Setters and train them and sell them years ago in Indiana. A good dog pointing and backing back then was brining $400.00 which was good money. I also had my 1 in 1000 dog trainers always talk about. She was a liver and white Setter named Sue. Had a few over the years but nothing like her! Set her first covey at about 4.5 months old and turned out to be the most amazing dog I ever had. Of course as soon as she was old enough to walk had her in birds almost every day. God I wish I could bring her back as well as my original black and white setter named Judy. Tell me more about that beautiful pup!
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Wow? I attended undergrad school in southern Indiana. Did a lot of quail and "Ruff" hunting in the Hoosier Nat'l Forest. I love your Setter story.
A "Bred" dog today will run $2,000 that is inflation. This little guy is an incredible 2 year old with only 100 birds shot over him. He is from a top Gordon breeder Springset Kennels. He has a brother in Russia and a sister in Virginia. He is an intermediate Gordon Gun Dog class.He is not standing stud yet. My older dog that was a champ died from a Sidewinder bit this past summer.
I became interested in Gordons while in Scotland.
This is a shot of him before he feathered out. He is at that stage now where Bird savvy and beauty come together.
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Oh, yeah. And watch out for that poisonous lead
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Wow? I attended undergrad school in southern Indiana. Did a lot of quail and "Ruff" hunting in the Hoosier Nat'l Forest. I love your Setter story.
A "Bred" dog today will run $2,000 that is inflation. This little guy is an incredible 2 year old with only 100 birds shot over him. He is from a top Gordon breeder Springset Kennels. He has a brother in Russia and a sister in Virginia. He is an intermediate Gordon Gun Dog class.He is not standing stud yet. My older dog that was a champ died from a Sidewinder bit this past summer.
I became interested in Gordons while in Scotland.
This is a shot of him before he feathered out. He is at that stage now where Bird savvy and beauty come together.
I like pointers. When I go to look at puppies, I bring a cane pole and a quail wing. If an 8 week old puppy won't lock up on the quail wing T am not interested. One would imagine setter puppies would react the same way to the quail wing. I have bought dogs that were better than others but I have never bought a dud.

Right now I don't have a bird dog. My health is going downhill. Quail numbers are at an all time low. There is hope! The state of NC hired the gentleman that planned the tremendously successful deer management program to revive quail populations.
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Wow! Another "Bird Dog" man. Yes the little guys will set about any thing. We use a "Puppie Pile" a stack of weeds and sticks with bird scent hid in the stack. The 8 week old pups hit the ground hunting and setting around the pile. That is when the .410 shotgun introduces them to live fire.
It is fun to watch them set grass hoppers. The pups are from the best stock they a born hunters. I use an old fly rod with a peice of yarn that is scented. I don't want them to "sight" point. That is a bad habit in bird dogs. I understand from my eastern friends quail hunting is not good. The desert quail is doing great. But that is how I lost a good dog this year. The Sidewinders can be deadly.
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