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MTHunter 04-29-2013 08:16 AM

Black Talons
I remember hearing that they are now marketed under a new name. I've been wanting to pick up a few boxes to see if they are as good as the old Black Talons I remember shooting hogs with when I went hunting with my dad in TX. Anyone know what the new name is?

c3shooter 04-29-2013 09:08 AM

SXT (Same eXact Thing)

robocop10mm 04-29-2013 12:49 PM

The most overhyped ammo of all time. DRT gets honerable mention.

BlueTurf 04-29-2013 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by robocop10mm (Post 1231011)
The most overhyped ammo of all time. DRT gets honerable mention.

Agreed. Black Talon got way too much attention.

tri70 04-29-2013 02:35 PM

The Barnes TTSX bullets work great too.

Overkill0084 04-29-2013 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 1230935)
SXT (Same eXact Thing)

From Wikipedia:


Current status Winchester discontinued the Black Talon line completely in 2000. The “Ranger SXT” ammunition sold later by Winchester is very similar to the Black Talon though without the black Lubalox coating on the bullet. Among shooters, a running joke is that SXT stands for “Same eXact Thing", though the official branding is “Supreme eXpansion Technology”. However, there are differences in the anatomy of the bullets which become apparent when carefully examined side by side. The hollow point cavity dimensions and angles of the meplat were altered to enhance reliability of expansion, though the basic "reverse taper" design pioneered by the Black Talon was retained. This "reverse taper" refers to the bullet's jacket being thicker at the tip than toward the base, enhancing rigidity which allows the sharp petals to remain largely perpendicular to the wound path, unlike traditional designs where the expanding jacket petals would peel back almost completely behind the expanded lead mushroom. This difference is obvious after firing into ballistic gelatin.[13] In 2007 Winchester updated their Ranger SXT line and renamed it Ranger T-Series. Besides further dimensional changes to the hollow point for reliable expansion, the distinctive perpendicular petals were made longer yet more rounded at the tips to retain stiffness.

In 2009 Winchester-Olin released a new hollow point bullet in its Supreme Elite line of handgun ammunition called the Bonded PDX1.[14] It is similar to the Ranger SXT series and, therefore, the older Black Talon line in its structure, and is available in several calibers and loadings. The most obvious difference from the SXT is that the bonded design, meant to maintain structural integrity through difficult intermediate barriers like auto-glass, largely prevents the sharp petals from peeling away from the lead core and fully protruding into the wound track. The .40 S&W PDX1 cartridge is the primary service ammunition of the FBI.[15] The PDX1 series is also available for purchase by civilian shooters. Further, the only difference between ammunition marked "Law Enforcement" and its unmarked version is that the Federal excise tax which is normally paid by the manufacturer on certain sporting goods, firearms, and ammunition (a major source of wildlife conservation funding) is not paid. Once that tax is paid, it is perfectly legal to sell the ammo via any legal channel. There is no law that prohibits civilians from buying ammunition marked "Law Enforcement," which some of the Ranger line has printed on the box (as do other lines of ammunition.)
I can't speak to hogs, but I carry Ranger Ts in my CCO.

cotex 04-29-2013 06:06 PM

I don't know about all that they made their way back in both my glock 30 and back up clip for the last couple years,... Bought on sale in the nineties.

orangello 04-29-2013 06:10 PM

I thought hogs were more of a SoftPoint ammo situation, for penetration reasons?

MTHunter 04-29-2013 08:06 PM

The Black Talons were able to shred the cartilage that protects the front shoulder. It usually took 2 rounds to get the job done but it was a ****ing blast.

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