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Silvertip 44 07-17-2011 06:36 PM

Black Talon
 
What was the real reason for discontinuing the manufacture of the Black Talon? Was it considered racist?

Firearms4ever 07-17-2011 06:41 PM

Racism was the real reason it was discontinued. Basically with all the media hype on corporate racism they had to discontinue it.

Firearms4ever 07-17-2011 06:44 PM

That and from what I've discovered (brief research) there was some sort of lawsuit involved with a shooting involving the Black Talon.

Dragonheart 07-17-2011 08:07 PM

It was once again the poorly informed, rabid, liberal media that went after Winchester for creating a bullet that caused unbelievable destruction and sure death upon it's use. Maybe the bullet itself being black didn't help because it surly was evil. We all know the bad guys wear the black hats.

Actually, the Black Talon it was just a good hollow point bullet driven at a high velocity that mushroomed like a hollow point bullet is supposed to do. The irony is Remington had made an almost identical copper jacketed HP bullet and was selling them to hand-loaders without anyone taking notice. I tested several of these hollow points in wet packs and although the Talon was an excellent off the shelf round I could get the same performance handloading the Remington's for a lot less money. Cheap enough that I could afford to practice with the same round that I was carrying.

willfully armed 07-17-2011 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart (Post 543896)
It was once again the poorly informed, rabid, liberal media that went after Winchester for creating a bullet that caused unbelievable destruction and sure death upon it's use. Maybe the bullet itself being black didn't help because it surly was evil. We all know the bad guys wear the black hats.

Actually, the Black Talon it was just a good hollow point bullet driven at a high velocity that mushroomed like a hollow point bullet is supposed to do. The irony is Remington had made an almost identical copper jacketed HP bullet and was selling them to hand-loaders without anyone taking notice. I tested several of these hollow points in wet packs and although the Talon was an excellent off the shelf round I could get the same performance handloading the Remington's for a lot less money. Cheap enough that I could afford to practice with the same round that I was carrying.

Funny you mention that.

The black talon was subsonic in most loadings except 357 and 44.

The ranger t series is the same projectile minus that evil black moly coating. You know the one. It allowed 147 gr subsonic hollow points to race through Kevlar;)

Now, there was one 9mm load, not named black talon, but rather Ranger, that was marketed to LE and military at the time. The same moly coated projectile loaded in nickel plated cases. 127gr +p+ it is an awesome load. I have them in my carry gun now.

armsmaster270 07-17-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by willfully armed (Post 543946)
Funny you mention that.

The black talon was subsonic in most loadings except 357 and 44.

The ranger t series is the same projectile minus that evil black moly coating. You know the one. It allowed 147 gr subsonic hollow points to race through Kevlar;)

Now, there was one 9mm load, not named black talon, but rather Ranger, that was marketed to LE and military at the time. The same moly coated projectile loaded in nickel plated cases. 127gr +p+ it is an awesome load. I have them in my carry gun now.

Your talking about Winchester Ranger 127gr SXT # RA9SXTP I have boxes of them that were issued me. They came in brass cases also.

stick_man 07-17-2011 10:58 PM

After the shooting in San Francisco, the anti's dubbed the Talon a "cop killer" bullet because of it's abilities and how, when expanded, it has the wickedly sharp, jagged edges on the petals. They were claimed to be "too lethal". Imagine that! A bullet that actually does what it is designed to do. Who'da thunk it?

Dillinger 07-17-2011 11:26 PM

Sweet Jesus! :eek:

Another Interwebz Mythos in need of deflating.

The "Black Talon" ammo was manufactured and marketed by Winchester starting in 1991.

It quickly became THE ROUND to have by everyone, not just the Law Enforcement Community where it was designed, allegedly, to be used.

Eventually it was used by some ASSHAT who went on a shooting spree and the ammo was "indicted" by the anti-gun community, the media and everyone who wanted to beat the "Anti-2A" drum.

Some medical "professionals" gave false testimony that the razor sharp barbs COULD puncture their protective gloves and keep in mind this was when AIDS was still a much unknown commodity. So Anti-AIDS was against the Black Talon, which was HUGE at the time.

A lawsuit was filed, some money changed hands, and Winchester pulled the ultra evil "Black Talon" ammo from the market around late 1993.

It was later altered in color and remarked as the Ranger SXT, which is a fine self defense ammo that I personally love (and use).

No. It was NOT removed from the market due to racism. :rolleyes:

A little reading and studying of history is time WELL spent. ;)

JD

Firearms4ever 07-18-2011 01:31 AM

Thanks for the clarification JD :). I probably should've researched the reason for it's pull from the market more, but oh well :o.

JJSLNTKLR 07-18-2011 07:32 PM

and we all know what SXT stands for right???

Same eXact Thing!! or so as it is commonly referred by:rolleyes:


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