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Braeden 07-20-2008 06:32 AM

arguments?
 
Hey, I know I'v asked this before but i never really got a strong argument. Can I please hear some strong advice for .308 Win. Vs. .30-06 Spr. Looking for making long accurate shots. I don't know a lot about these rounds and that's why I'm asking. With either i would be hand-loading.

Thanx

-Braeden

cpttango30 07-20-2008 01:37 PM

308 can do anything the 30-06 can do. Just with a short action rifle and in a small case. The 308 is a more efficient cartridge do to the sharper shoulder angle than the 30-06.

The 30-06 is 102 years old. It has fought battles all over the world and killed game on every continent from ground squirrels to water buffalo and Rhino ect... The 308 has killed game on every continent and fought in many different wars.


I like the 308 simply because it offers slightly less recoil and a short action vs a long action for the 30-06. That being said my 308 is based on a long action and my main go to deer rifle is a 30-06. There is simply no strong argument for either simply pick the one you want and go with it.

30-06
165gr SST
46.3gr Varget
2600 fps

308
165gr SST
44 gr Varget
2600fps

30-06
150gr SST
48.1gr RL-15
2700fps

308
150gr SST
45.4gr RL-15
2700fps.

With today's modern powders you are burning less powder to push the same projectile the same speed. So to me is is over all going to be cheaper to shoot the 308 because you are using less powder each time you pull the trigger. That is just me though, you need to figure out what you want and pick the cartridge you feels fits the criteria the best.

robocop10mm 07-22-2008 02:46 PM

You might be able to squeeze 100-150 more FPS out of an '06. I agree the .308 is about the equal of the '06. The '06 is a bit better with heavy weight bullets (180 gr or heavier). For long range accuracy, I would go with the .308.

1hole 07-27-2008 01:21 AM

You will find more accuracy difference between any two rifles in the same cartridge than you will between those two cartridges.

G21.45 07-27-2008 02:57 AM

:rolleyes: I don't know? I've been a 30-06 shooter all my life. The people who shoot at Camp Perry have repeatedly told me the 308 is a flatter shooting round. On the other hand, the 30-06 is capable of similar performance at 800 + yards, and - for a fact - will hit harder and handle heavier bullets better.

I've known hunters who would use a 30-06 with large solids on the bigger bears; I've never known anyone who used a 308 for the same thing. The one objection I have against the 308 has nothing to do with the way that it shoots - It shoots very well! There are, however: chamber, headspace, leade, and cartridge brass problems from which the 308 can suffer that the 30-06 is, simply, not affected by.

I don't know what kind of argument you're looking for; but, as far as long range shooting goes, I suspect you'd be better off with the 308 - SLIGHTLY better off. ;)

wrench 07-27-2008 04:49 AM

Tid Bit
 
Have noticed this about the debate, is that when looking for different things i've come across more .308 ballistic charts than 30-06, and more guns (newer) for 308 long range shooting, than 06. Far be it from me to take anything away from the 30-06. I want both.

Hope this helps.
sincerely wrench
<striving to enter at the narrow gate>

BigO01 07-27-2008 08:35 AM

Why not buy a 30-06 and get a 308 chamber insert and you can play with them both with the one gun and find out for yourself what is best ?

You're asking a question for which the answers are as much opinion as they are fact just like the old "Which caliber is best for deer ?"

The gun rags handle these same questions if not every year every couple of years and have been for decades now .

matt g 07-28-2008 12:46 AM

Given those two choices, I'd say go with the .308, soley because it is "the" sniper round. Shooting .308 will condition you to the ballistics of the .308 round that you plan to use for a living.

BillM 07-28-2008 06:47 AM

This one gets beat around every year. 30-06 has more case capacity,
and possibly a little better performance out past 800 yds or so. 308
works in a shorter action. Unless you have the need and the skill to
use the VERY SLIGHT 30-06 performance advantage at really long range,
it doesn't make any difference which one you pick. Personally I'm
kind of partial to the old '06, I've been shooting it for 45 years or so,
and it just feels right.

Jables 07-28-2008 08:15 AM

This one really boils down to personal pref. I pref the 30-06, that's just my pref. I'd shoot both if you've got buddies with both guns and see what you like.


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