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Old 07-23-2010, 04:33 AM   #11
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Regarding ammo, this may be a repost, but I just saw it last night. It's from the 80s so beware.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

Going off of that, I will probably never use anything more than FMJ.

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Wow! After reading that article it makes one think that .45 ACP FMJ is the only way to go.

1) It seems that JHP technology (especially in propellants) has increased a lot in the intervening 20 years. And therefore penetration has probably increased.

2) If penetration has increased, then expanding projectiles would create such a larger wound cavity.

3) Plugging of HP ammo doesn't seem quite as big a problem, then, if it is a large enough caliber.

4) It makes me want to stick to a long arm whenever possible!!

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Wow! After reading that article it makes one think that .45 ACP FMJ is the only way to go.

1) It seems that JHP technology (especially in propellants) has increased a lot in the intervening 20 years. And therefore penetration has probably increased.

2) If penetration has increased, then expanding projectiles would create such a larger wound cavity.

3) Plugging of HP ammo doesn't seem quite as big a problem, then, if it is a large enough caliber.

4) It makes me want to stick to a long arm whenever possible!!
Valid points, but the "stopping power" argument was addressed to great success in that article, so I'm planning on sticking to my FMJs for now.
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Valid points, but the "stopping power" argument was addressed to great success in that article, so I'm planning on sticking to my FMJs for now.
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting you're wrong. It does make me wonder if there would be a 2010 update that would make new technology a deciding factor. And Extreme Shock isn't the tech of which I speak.

It does make me feel like the piles of FMJ I have aren't so bad. They are certainly cheaper than JHP self defense stuff.

Just something to think about. I still think I'll stay with SD JHP's.
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i use 230grn hydrashok or speer 230grn hp whichever i can find. lacking that i load up with 230grn fmj

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So this got me thinking... I have .40 SWAT MagSafe personal defense rounds right now but I might want to change. What do you guys use?
Winchester Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 for the .40
Hornady TAP FPD 45 ACP+P


http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/supreme-elite/bonded-pdx1/Pages/S40SWPDB1.aspx
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Looks like it has something to do with hesse/vulcan. Makes me want to throw up.

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Winchester Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 for the .40
Hornady TAP FPD 45 ACP+P


http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/supreme-elite/bonded-pdx1/Pages/S40SWPDB1.aspx
Why is bonded ammo better? I thought the more it broke up the better, causing a lager wound cavity. Sorry for being so novice; the idea of ballistics are cool to me but I don't understand them 100%
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Bonded ammo will penetrate:

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[...] heavy clothing, auto glass, plywood or sheet metal and still not only hold together but expand [...] [T]he primary cause of bullet failure when encountering such obstacles is jacket/core separation. Once the jacket and core part company, performance goes all to hell. To prevent that, Winchester bonds the core to the jacket, hence the name Bonded PDX1. [...] Even after being slammed through obstacles and decelerating in gelatin, the core and jacket cling tightly to each other. [...] Bullets looked the same regardless of what they passed through before impact. Whether it was air, cloth, plywood, the results were the same: well over the one-foot minimum required by the FBI, and full expansion.

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Quote from: Patrick Sweeney in Hanguns Magazine: http://www.handgunsmag.com/ammunition/HG_bondingexp_200905/#cont


In summary, regardless of the medium before the target the penetration and expansion are the same. Whether there is nothing in front of the target but air or heavy clothing and plywood it will do the job.


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