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Old 09-13-2013, 09:54 PM   #11
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Why is it you want a hole in both sides? To help the animal bleed out? For a better blood trail to follow? Pass through is a waste of energy, that shouldve been put into the animal. Hydrostatic shock from the bullets energy transfered into the animal will kill quicker and more efficiently than bleed out. .....
Bingo!.......
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Really? You buy the hydrostatis shock theory with handguns? This does not occur until velocities exceed 2000 fps or so. Few handguns are capable of this.

Really, it depends on the deer. Texas deer are small and not very much resistance to bullets. Northern deer are MUCH bigger and require a diferent approach. W/o more info, a decent answer cannot be given

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Im gonna guess average is around 120-160lbs. The part of the state im hunting in is only shotgun, bow, or cross bow, or handgun over .35cal with a straight wall case. Im not an archer, and really the only shotgun I have is my HD mossberg 500 with an 18 1/2 inch barrel. Or my dads old .410 and an older mossberg 500 that needs reapir. So its either my .44mag or my .357mag. My Gp100 is a 4in barrel and my 629 is an 8 1/4 inch barrel. So I was planning on taking my smith and wesson with me. Im not talking 100yard hunting, im thinking under 35yards if I can get one in that close.

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I have taken a number of Mule Deer with a 240 Grs. bullet cast from WW metal and linotype. I have never had wounded deer to put down. The use of Hollow Points are not allowed in some states. Handguns fired at 50 yards will not usually expand a bullet that much.

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Im gonna guess average is around 120-160lbs. The part of the state im hunting in is only shotgun, bow, or cross bow, or handgun over .35cal with a straight wall case. Im not an archer, and really the only shotgun I have is my HD mossberg 500 with an 18 1/2 inch barrel. Or my dads old .410 and an older mossberg 500 that needs reapir. So its either my .44mag or my .357mag. My Gp100 is a 4in barrel and my 629 is an 8 1/4 inch barrel. So I was planning on taking my smith and wesson with me. Im not talking 100yard hunting, im thinking under 35yards if I can get one in that close.
Given those parameters a good 240 gr HP or SP would suffice. Most .44 HP bullets have very shallow cavities and do not expand explosively. I do like good hard cast bullets, especially the WFN/LFN bullets from LBT. They punch non-repairable holes through deer from any angle.

Yes, two holes are better than one. Bleeding is maximized and humane kills are the norm.
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I use hornady leverevolution, but I use a .44 Ruger carbine. Does the job nicely.

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Really? You buy the hydrostatis shock theory with handguns? This does not occur until velocities exceed 2000 fps or so. Few handguns are capable of this.

Really, it depends on the deer. Texas deer are small and not very much resistance to bullets. Northern deer are MUCH bigger and require a diferent approach. W/o more info, a decent answer cannot be given
YES. I do believe it happens

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Human autopsy results have demonstrated brain hemorrhaging from fatal hits to the chest, including cases with handgun bullets.[4] Thirty-three cases of fatal penetrating chest wounds by a single bullet were selected from a much larger set by excluding all other traumatic factors, including past history

Duncan McPherson, a former member of the International Wound Ballistics Association and author of the book, Bullet Penetration, claimed that shock waves cannot result from bullet impacts with tissue.[18] In contrast, Brad Sturtevant, a leading researcher in shock wave physics at Caltech for many decades, found that shock waves can result from handgun bullet impacts in tissue.[27] Other sources indicate that ballistic impacts can create shock waves in tissue.[23][28][29]

Remote pressure wave effects in the spine and internal organs[edit source]

In a study of a handgun injury, Sturtevant found that pressure waves from a bullet impact in the torso can reach the spine and that a focusing effect from concave surfaces can concentrate the pressure wave on the spinal cord producing significant injury.


Ammunition selection for self-defense, military, and law enforcement[edit source]
In self-defense, military, and law enforcement communities, opinions vary regarding the importance of remote wounding effects in ammunition design and selection. In his book on hostage rescuers, Leroy Thompson discusses the importance of hydrostatic shock in choosing a specific design of .357 Magnum and 9x19mm Parabellum bullets.[51] In Armed and Female, Paxton Quigley explains that hydrostatic shock is the real source of “stopping power.”[52] Jim Carmichael, who served as shooting editor for Outdoor Life magazine for 25 years, believes that hydrostatic shock is important to “a more immediate disabling effect” and is a key difference in the performance of .38 Special and .357 Magnum hollow point bullets.[53] In “The search for an effective police handgun,” Allen Bristow describes that police departments recognize the importance of hydrostatic shock when choosing ammunition.[54] A research group at West Point suggests handgun loads with at least 500 ft·lbf (680 J) of energy and 12 inches (300 mm) of penetration and recommends:[55]



Although faster bullets can get this Hydrostatic shock easier, slower bullets with wider bores and larger meplats can do this at slower levels of velocity.
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Until certain bench rest handgun hunters get some real world experience on THIN SKINNED DEER you have no idea what your talking about. Keep your shoots to normal bow ranges and the week factory loads from rem, win fed and hornady work well. If you feel you marksman enough to make a 100 yard shot + then load'um hot. 1500 fps is practical and works very nicely. A hp is fine for deer . Even a heavy soft lead bullet works wonders if gas check or partical jacked bullet designs likie jacked swc or swc-hp remingtons part jacked sp and hp work. Nosler pure lead jacked sp and hp work very well.

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Im hoping to get a shot under 35 yards if I can get a clean shot.

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Anna Purna works with wounded animals every day. She does have a lot of experience in that field.

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