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Old 06-26-2013, 10:38 PM   #31
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Down home we used to go shooting where people would dump their garbage because they were too lazy to take it to the landfill. We shot up everything, nd not just to shoot up, but to see what would stop a certain caliber. a solid oak door from about 8 feet away birdshot will leave a fist sized hole in it. I use birdshot for my HD roundsin my shotguns and don't worry about stopping power.
i and another member here, MrWray did some informal testing last year to dispell some of the rumors that birdshot wasn't efective as SD ammo. he's lives in Oklahoma and i live in Texas and both of our tests showed that at most likely distances that a shotgun would be used in the home for SD, birdshot does work and quite well. personally both of my HD shotguns are loaded with #4 birdshot, with OO buckshot on the buttstock carrier.

we both came up with very similiar results, after testing in various materials. MrWray used #7 birdshot and i used #4 birdshot for these informal tests. i tested at 10 yards and used 1/2" plywood and sheetrock. he used 3/8" plywood and at about the same distances. i also just for grins tested at about 7 yards and old cars quarter panel. it did penetrate. in fact, it penetrated all test materials at 10 yards. why 10 yards? because that would be the longest possible shot within my home. so if it works at the longest possible distance within my home, i am very comfortable it will work at the shorter distances.

is buckshot a better ammo for SD than birdshot? yes it is. but birdshot will work, and that's been proven to me, by me. personally, i don't just make assumptions that things work as people say or that i think they will. i want to know for a fact for myself that they do. this is why i do lots of shooting and paracticing. so i know what will happen an what works and what doesn't.

i will add this final thought on this. do not assume i or anyone else here knows what they are talking about. test your intended shotgun with what ever ammo you choose to try, and go out and find out what it will do for yourself. besides, different ammo can pattern very differently an when the BG is breaking into your home is not the time to find out how well it works or doesn't work. another thing, the practice is good for you.


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i and another member here, MrWray did some informal testing last year to dispell some of the rumors that birdshot wasn't efective as SD ammo. he's lives in Oklahoma and i live in Texas and both of our tests showed that at most likely distances that a shotgun would be used in the home for SD, birdshot does work and quite well. personally both of my HD shotguns are loaded with #4 birdshot, with OO buckshot on the buttstock carrier.

we both came up with very similiar results, after testing in various materials. MrWray used #7 birdshot and i used #4 birdshot for these informal tests. i tested at 10 yards and used 1/2" plywood and sheetrock. he used 3/8" plywood and at about the same distances. i also just for grins tested at about 7 yards and old cars quarter panel. it did penetrate. in fact, it penetrated all test materials at 10 yards. why 10 yards? because that would be the longest possible shot within my home. so if it works at the longest possible distance within my home, i am very comfortable it will work at the shorter distances.

is buckshot a better ammo for SD than birdshot? yes it is. but birdshot will work, and that's been proven to me, by me. personally, i don't just make assumptions that things work as people say or that i think they will. i want to know for a fact for myself that they do. this is why i do lots of shooting and paracticing. so i know what will happen an what works and what doesn't.

i will add this final thought on this. do not assume i or anyone else here knows what they are talking about. test your intended shotgun with what ever ammo you choose to try, and go out and find out what it will do for yourself. besides, different ammo can pattern very differently an when the BG is breaking into your home is not the time to find out how well it works or doesn't work. another thing, the practice is good for you.
And go to as many autopsies, hospital emergency rooms, crime scenes and fire as many rounds to test the various loads as I have and you will see why 'bird shot' is for the birds!!!
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