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Old 04-24-2013, 02:54 AM   #51
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I'm pretty sure they don't oil military ammo; didn't they determine lubricated cases collect dirt in the 19th Century? And, as said, that could create overpressure and locktime issues, especially in self-feeding arms.

I like the feel of Remingtons a bit better but have to admit I prefer the weight distribution of the Mossbergs in actual use. Plus I have seen so many, and read about too many, 870 Expresses failing.

Around my neck of the woods regular shooters old enough to vote have taken to just waiting for new 870's at the range to fail so the rest of us can all laugh together. Forget Remington was central in The War of Northern Aggression, I wouldn't even buy a Police model 870 anymore and they at least look sharp and supposedly have all non-MIM parts.

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Old 04-24-2013, 04:37 PM   #52
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flabbergasted!!! I got my first mossy when I was 10 and learned to detail strip and clean it!
Not the one i have takes only 5 mins to take apart and reassemble ,barrel change out is 30 seconds, moss 500,s hard to strip? first for me.Mine is very simple.
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Actually that's how they store ammo in milsurp cans. Light glaze of oil and seal off the air.

Not saying mossburg is impossible to put together but Remington is easier. And I also own a Winchester 1300. I bought when was 18 at a garage sale for $200. It's even easier to reassemble than Remington or mossburg and silky smooth. Had to trade for another one set up for deer.
I have owned all three only one i kept for the ease of cleaning was the moss 500 i disagree my rem 1100 was not near as simple.And neither was the winchester not only that look how many aftermarket upgrades they offer for the moss 500 like my kicklite stock and mount for red dot.
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I have owned all three only one i kept for the ease of cleaning was the moss 500 i disagree my rem 1100 was not near as simple.And neither was the winchester not only that look how many aftermarket upgrades they offer for the moss 500 like my kicklite stock and mount for red dot.
This is about cheap pumps not autos. I personally don't care for tactical shotguns. I like wood stocks and use them for hunting. Most I've ever had on a shotgun was bushnell 3x9 for deer hunting.
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Not the one i have takes only 5 mins to take apart and reassemble ,barrel change out is 30 seconds, moss 500,s hard to strip? first for me.Mine is very simple.
I was always under the impression that's also why the military adopted it.
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I don't see how a gun could be easier to strip than a Winchester 1300 I can have the barrel, action slide, bolt and trigger assembly off in 30 seconds

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I don't see how a gun could be easier to strip than a Winchester 1300 I can have the barrel, action side bolt and trigger assembly off in 30 seconds
Same here. No free floating rails to keep in place like the mossburg. Military chose mossburg because they shoot a 12 gauge and are the cheapest shotguns in mass production.
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Same here. No free floating rails to keep in place like the mossburg. Military chose mossburg because they shoot a 12 gauge and are the cheapest shotguns in mass production.
Agreed 100%
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Same here. No free floating rails to keep in place like the mossburg. Military chose mossburg because they shoot a 12 gauge and are the cheapest shotguns in mass production.
I'm not sure I could agree with "cheapest shotguns in mass production".

IIRC, the military required a metal triggerguard be used on the military models, so it would seem they had some input on the product they were ordering other than price and quantity.
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My Weatherby PA-08 is super easy to strip, clean and reassemble. I can have it apart in under 2 minutes including the trigger assembly. It reassembles equally as fast. There don't seem to be many Weatherby shotgun owners here but I have been really impressed with the PA-08. I got a super deal on it and recently got it back from the factory where they made a minor modification so I can swap out the 28" barrel for the
18" barrel - that takes about a minute to do. While at the factory I had the synthetic stock and forearm changed for the glossy walnut, it's the same used on the SA-08 Deluxe - I prefer the look of wood. So now I have a home defense and a Skeet gun by just changing barrels. I think if I get serious about trap shooting then I'll look at the Weatherby SA-08 Deluxe or the Winchester SX3 Sporting. I don't have any experience with the Winchester but have heard good things - The Weatherby has been a great gun so far.

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