What should I look for in a semi-auto - Page 2
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > General Shotgun Discussion > What should I look for in a semi-auto

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-03-2010, 07:24 PM   #11
Is it Friday yet?
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Troy Michalik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Bastrop,Texas
Posts: 2,475
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts

Default

I happen to know one member on this site that has a Siaga (with a little shorter than usual barrel). The slugs he was throwing down range looked like baseballs shot out of a canon hitting the muddy backstop. Those that were there know what I’m talking about. For HD, I’d personally be all over one of these.
But suggesting one for bird hunting – eh, not so much – you know; those pesky federal regulations about magazine capacity and all.

As for completely disregarding semi-autos due to functionality concerns? I work with a guy that is a Class AA sporting clays shooter that shoots tens of THOUSANDS of rounds a year. Care to guess what he shoots?

__________________
- Make everything count -


Troy Michalik is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 09:37 PM   #12
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
 
robocop10mm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Austin,Texas, by God!!
Posts: 10,196
Liked 2865 Times on 1492 Posts
Likes Given: 254

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodysKJ View Post
My only advice on getting an Auto for HD is DON'T.

Semi Auto shotguns are great, don't get me wrong. The fact is I would not have one in two VERY important circumstances.
1. In an Duck blind or boat
2. Home defense.

Simple reason is that they, and I lump ALL semi Autos in this group, anr nicknamed Awfulmatics.

For the very reasons that most police cars in this country carry Remington 870's is easy of use and reliability. An Auto is GOING to jam at some point in it's life.

Besides, the scariest sound in the world is the sound of an 870 cycling a shell into battery in the dark. I know many police officers who have subdued an bad guy simply by racking the slide on their 870's.

Why take a chance on a jamb when you need it.
IMHO that attitude is what kept the German Military armed with bolt action rifles through WW II. Good for us, bad for the Wermacht.

Semi-auto shotguns WERE problematic 30 years ago. Modern designs are very reliable. The old 1100 Remington had issues that have been cured with the 11-87. The Winchester 1400 had issues that are not present in the newer Super X-1's. The Benelli's are very reliable with the high brass ammo.

The military uses both pump and semi-auto shotguns. If I was going to be dragging it through the sand or mud I would prefer the pump gun. I prefer not to drag my firearms through either media. I keep my guns clean and well maintained.

The 20th century has come and gone. We are well into the 21st. I find nothing wrong with a quality auto loader. Pumps jam, too.

As far as the sound of a pump shotgun rackingbeing intimidating? Trust me, this is not very true anymore. The criminals of today, do not seem to value their own lives as much as they did 25 years ago. They do not care about dying. It seems like many today think you are not cool if you have not been shot by the police.
__________________

In life, strive to take the high road....It offers a better field of fire.
"Robo is right" Fuzzball

robocop10mm is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 10:31 PM   #13
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
WoodysKJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Louisville,Kentucky
Posts: 250
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy Michalik View Post
I happen to know one member on this site that has a Siaga (with a little shorter than usual barrel). The slugs he was throwing down range looked like baseballs shot out of a canon hitting the muddy backstop. Those that were there know what I’m talking about. For HD, I’d personally be all over one of these.
But suggesting one for bird hunting – eh, not so much – you know; those pesky federal regulations about magazine capacity and all.

As for completely disregarding semi-autos due to functionality concerns? I work with a guy that is a Class AA sporting clays shooter that shoots tens of THOUSANDS of rounds a year. Care to guess what he shoots?
Once again, Semis are great guns, I have a couple too. And I too know sporting clay and trap and skeet shooters who use the religiously. But i chalange you to show me one of them that does not break it almost all the way down after each shoot.

If it comes to HD and the protection of my family, I personally would NOT trust one, despite the range record. Standing at the 18 yard line in a good solid firm leaning forward stance is great for cycling an auto with target loads and results in a VERY high number of rounds without a stove pipe or misfeed.

Standing in the dark shooting at shadows or around corners with an auto is a recipe for stovepiping.

Like I have also said in and earlier post, just the SOUND of an 870 cycling, personally witnessed by the way, can defuse a situation with out having to resort to throwing lead baseballs through your walls and into your neighbors bedroom in the middle of the night.
__________________
WoodysKJ is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2010, 02:12 AM   #14
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
aandabooks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 1,518
Liked 332 Times on 195 Posts
Likes Given: 64

Default

I would go with a pump shotgun for HD. The answer is really simple. The HD gun is probably the most neglected in any homeowners arsenal. They live there lives in the corner of the closet, slid under the bed or standing in the corner of the room. You don't think about them until you absolutely need them and pump guns just work regardless of the neglect.

That's why my Winchester 1200 is in the corner of the closet and my Smith & Wesson 1000 lives its life in the gun safe.

__________________
aandabooks is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2010, 03:01 PM   #15
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: St. Paul,MN
Posts: 19
Default

Hmm, thanks for all the replies. I guess I'm waiting a while to get my shottie anyway, but at least I'll know what to look for. I'll review this thread in a while, so any other suggestions and thoughts continue to be very welcome!

__________________
Stuflames is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2010, 01:08 PM   #16
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Sunny FLA
Posts: 121
Default

I went semi auto, Rem. 11-87, for a couple reasons.

One, the semi absorbs recoil, while the pump doesn't. And, if my wife hates it because of the recoil, she'll likely never shoot it again and not know how to use it if the NEED arises.

Two, I can switch barrels and take it to the clay/trap/skeet range, and not have it sit in the corner for the next 20 years(hopefully never needed).

I put no stock in the sound of a pump intimidating someone in my home. The last thing I want them to know is I'm awake, armed, and "over there" where the noise is. I'm not arming myself to scare anyone, it's to protect my family, period. If they're in my home, they are there to do harm to my family.

A misfire can be cleared just as effectively with either, or both can jam beyond quick remedy. (not my law, Murphy's)

I don't think either one is better than the other. The semi just works for me and my needs/wants.

__________________

"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died, rather we should thank God that such men lived." Gen. George S. Patton

SeanCucf is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2010, 04:12 PM   #17
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Greebo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Omaha,Nebraska
Posts: 99
Liked 4 Times on 1 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuflames View Post
home defense shotgun?

Models?

Price is a consideration. At this point, a large consideration.
So, prices?
LOL I'll prob take flack for this since it's not a well like gun but personally I think it is a good gun, esp for a home defense item - I have the pardner pump compact - it's NEF's rip off of the Rem 870, I picked it up a while back for less then $200 and it has taken anything and everything I've put through it 00, #4 and slug so far all without issue and I've put quite a number of boxes of ammo through it....not a lot of finesse to it but as a home defense it has plenty of brute force and is very reliable and IMO not badly put together at all for a cheap gun.
__________________

Glaine ár gcroí, neart ár ngéag agus beart de réir ár mbriathar - ARW
(The cleanliness of our hearts, the strength of our limbs and our commitment to our promise)

Greebo is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2010, 04:44 AM   #18
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 38
Default Home Defense

I'm just an old retired Army guy. I know that young Soldiers in Iraq I met up with liked Mossberg, especially the semi-auto 930 SPX. I've had mine for two years and never had a single failure, firing everything from buck to slugs (rifled, unrifled and sabot) to game loads and even duplex (I load 1x3 for HD). I agree with the post from SeanCucf about chambering a round, but in any case, chambering the FIRST round in a semi-auto sounds the same as a pump. I do have a Mossberg 500 pump also, which I keep in a cruiser configuration, but my primary is the 930 SPX. I highly recommend it.

__________________
AARguy is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2010, 05:01 PM   #19
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1
Default

Winchester Defender that is what I use . I switch between slug and 00 buckshot.

This is a pump and makes that unforgettable sound when you load it. Somt times that alone is enough to scare them away.
__________________
jdtphoto is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2010, 01:46 PM   #20
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 15
Likes Given: 1

Default What to look for?

I'd avoid any shotgun with an alloy reciever.
I'd look for a short barreled 8 guage with a 2 foot bayonet.

__________________
1928A1 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
AK semi vs AK auto liebo1 AK & SKS Discussion 6 12-30-2011 04:16 PM
Semi-Auto 9mm notdku Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion 23 04-28-2011 01:32 AM
Which .22 semi auto NitroxAZ General Handgun Discussion 18 07-09-2009 05:29 PM
.22 semi auto gun .22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion 3 06-25-2009 10:58 PM