Some shotgun questions before my first purchase
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > General Shotgun Discussion > Some shotgun questions before my first purchase

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-12-2012, 05:22 PM   #1
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: MAINE
Posts: 223
Liked 23 Times on 18 Posts
Likes Given: 7

Default Some shotgun questions before my first purchase

Hey all.
I'mnearing the purchase of my first shotgun in the next few weeks. Just got my yearly company bonus (minus the wife tax, of course), and can spend about $350-400.
I'm looking for a weapon that can be used both for home defense and turkey. I'm planning on taking the state-required hunter safety course so I can start hunting during the spring turkey season.
I've looked at a lot of the used guns around this area, and have liked the feel of several. I found several used Ithaca 37s, Remington 870s, and a pair of Stoeger Condors.

With the Ithaca 37s, I found one Police model that feels right for HD, and a basic model with a 26" barrel and a Modified choke. I've read that you can successfully take turkey with a Mod, but having never hunted before, I'm not sure if I want to go with a tighter pattern. The areas I'd be hunting around here are field edges, power line runs, and some "experimental forest" areas that are selectively clearcut and regrown.
How intergangable are the barrels of the various Ithaca 37 models? If I buy the Police model, can I scrounge up a smoothbore barrel and swap them out as needed, or will that require gunsmith work to fit and seat the barrels to the receiver? Is there any place online I can read up on the various makes of 37, their history, and compatibilities?

The Remington 870s are simple and well-known, but are the highest-priced. As are the barrels. Are there any non-compatibility issues with any make of 870?

The Stoeger Condor just felt really nice in my hands and when sighted in. However, I was unsure if it'd make a suitable turkey gun. It was definitely a little long for HD use.

My other option is to just buy something new instead of fiddling around with buying used and trying to collect up the parts I want. That would require saving for a couple more paychecks, but is doable.
I like the feel of an over/under so far, and the Stoeger Outback looks like a servicable field and defense kit. However, I've never handled that particular model, and would likely have to have it ordered for me.
If I were going to go for a new pump-gun, I'd probably stick with the 870. Is it as simple as getting a Wingmaster on sale at Cabela's and buying a 20" HD barrel?


And on a smei-related note, I found a used Savage 24 in 22/20 that was a beautiful single-shot. Unfortunately, the person who traded it in sprayed the whole thing in a thick layer of semi-gloss black paint. The barrel markings are barely legible becuase the paint is so thick. If I remember right, it was priced at $230. Is this a salvagleable weapon and worth tinkering at that price?

Thanks in advance for any info you folks can throw at me.

__________________
therhino is offline  
 
Reply With Quote

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today - It's Free!

Are you a firearms enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Firearms Talk is owned and operated by fellow firearms enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information.

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today! - Click Here


Old 02-12-2012, 05:59 PM   #2
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Jpyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Sewell,NJ
Posts: 4,832
Liked 776 Times on 449 Posts
Likes Given: 492

Default

Not a hunter myself so I can't speak to the specific bells and whistles required for a good turkey gun but can offer the following. A good HD shotgun will typically have a shorter barrel, say 18" or so and will not accept a choke of any sort...think basic Remmy 870 or Mossy 590. From what I have seen, a decent field gun will have a longer barrel, accept a variety of choke tubes and will use a vented barrel. My advice would be to purchase a combo gun that offers the best of both worlds, the lightweight, more maneuverable HD mode and the longer barreled, variable choke field mode. Both Remington, Mossberg as well as all other shotgun makers offer prepackaged "convertible" guns that come complete with 2 barrels.

__________________

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington


Last edited by Jpyle; 02-12-2012 at 06:03 PM.
Jpyle is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2012, 06:04 PM   #3
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 3,087
Liked 757 Times on 449 Posts
Likes Given: 477

Default

I had just purchased a Mossberg 590A1 LE a few days ago. Can't wait to test it at range. I'm awaiting the arrival of heat shield before then.
__________________
PanBaccha is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2012, 06:11 PM   #4
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
c3shooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Third bunker on the right,Central Virginia
Posts: 17,159
Liked 9509 Times on 4092 Posts
Likes Given: 1493

Default

Ithaca- great gun. Believe they were shut down, so eventually, parts could be an issue.
Mossberg/ Remington- sort of the standard pump shotgun. For turkey, you will want a longer, tightly choked bbl. For HD, you CAN use same, but would be better with a shorter (18-20") more open or unchoked bbl. Get one, get spare barrel.

High Standard also made (past tense) a decent pump- sold by Sears as their Mdl 20. For $250, with some careful shopping, you could get TWO of those.

__________________

What we have here is... failure- to communicate.

c3shooter is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2012, 06:27 PM   #5
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,617
Liked 813 Times on 621 Posts
Likes Given: 125

Default

The pictured Mossberg 500 Field/Security combo is ideal and a bargain IMO. You will probably use the Full Choke, one of three the 28" ribbed and vented double-beaded barrel comes with, but you can also easily find Extra-Full, etc.

Good luck and safe shooting!

__________________
HockaLouis is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2012, 06:34 PM   #6
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I would avoid the Savage 24. I had one a few years ago I used for squirrel hunting. The top barrel in .22LR was deadly accurate. However, the shotgun barrel centered its pattern 12" below point of aim. I did take lots of squirrels with it, but it was frustrating trying to compensate the shotgun barrel.
I believe the other suggestions are good ones. Also, the last I knew, the Ithaca model 37 has been re-introduced, but the new ones are on the expensive side.
cottontop

__________________
 
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2012, 02:26 AM   #7
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Buckethead47's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Lake county,Illinois
Posts: 519
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

Mossberg 500/590 and the remington 870will be your best bet when it comes to the ability to multi task. Just a change of a barrel and bam. I can't speak for the mossberg but the 870 has issues with barrels as long as you buy 20 ga barrel for a 20 ga gun and same for the 12. From what I understand you use a full choke and most guys run red dot optics. Hop on the hunting sub forum for more if that info.

__________________

Remington 870 12 Ga. Supermag
Springfield XDS .45acp

Buckethead47 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2012, 02:49 AM   #8
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Gatoragn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: North GA. Back home in Dixieland.
Posts: 3,526
Liked 1262 Times on 709 Posts
Likes Given: 534

Default

For turkey you want full or extra full choke.

Many shotgun brands have specialized turkey barrels in the 22 to 24 inch range, this is for maneuverability in brush.

My turkey gun has a 26 inch barrel and I use a Carlson turkey choke.

__________________
Gatoragn is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2012, 04:01 AM   #9
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: navarre,fl
Posts: 619
Liked 23 Times on 19 Posts
Likes Given: 84

Default

go for a 870 with an extra barrel imho run away from stoger thay dont hold up to high volume shooting(you might get the one i traded in on a beretta)

__________________
tonydewar is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2012, 10:33 AM   #10
No Longer a NY Resident.
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
kfox75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Erie County PA,
Posts: 2,753
Liked 1752 Times on 1081 Posts
Likes Given: 9626

Default

Ithacas are still being made in Ohio. Barrels are interchangeable on model 37s made after 1976 or so. The main downside to the Ithaca is disassembly for cleaning. Being a bottom eject, every part comes out of the rear of the reciever after you remove the stock. It can be a little complex at first. I would personaly look for a Remington or Mossberg with interchaneable chokes. If you look around you can find a combo with a long and short barrel for around your price range. Unretaker makes an excellent turkey choke that screws into threaded barrels on the mossy or the rem. I picked up my 870 used with a smooth slug and bird barrel for $328 five years ago. Deals are out there if you look. Good luck and enjoy.

__________________

Is it better to do the right thing for the wrong reason, or to do the wrong thing for the right reason? If you do the wrong thing for the right reason, is it still the wrong thing?

Si vis pacem para bellum.

There are two ways of doing something. Right and again.

kfox75 is online now  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
First time shotgun purchase nipanthers52 General Shotgun Discussion 17 01-03-2012 09:57 AM
Questions about firearms purchase VJew Semi-Auto Handguns 9 10-03-2011 07:22 PM
Fast approaching first purchase and general noob questions irpotential General Handgun Discussion 3 09-06-2011 07:06 PM
A few Shotgun questions. Mike5150 General Shotgun Discussion 24 02-14-2010 09:56 PM
Looking to purchase my first shotgun capncrunch926 General Shotgun Discussion 5 01-18-2009 01:34 AM