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Old 05-21-2012, 02:02 AM   #1
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So a while back i found somewhere shells that had a combination of buckshot and a slug on top of that. But i was kind of sceptical about it. Anyone know anything about them? What there called? How well they work? Price? Thanks in advance.



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Old 05-21-2012, 02:38 AM   #2
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"How well they work?"

I guess they worked well in the civil war as a popular loading was "buck and ball".



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Winchester PDX?

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Ive started a thead on these already "winchester PDX1 defenders"

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"How well they work?"

I guess they worked well in the civil war as a popular loading was "buck and ball".
From the Rev War actually: In October 1777, General Washington recommended the men deliver their first volley with a load of “one musket ball and four or eight buckshot, according to the strength of their pieces.” And from Army GENERAL ORDERS, Head Quarters, Perkiomy, October 6, 1777; “buckshot are to be put into all cartridges which shall be hereafter made."

In the War of the Rebellion, Buck n Ball loads were, of course, restricted to smoothbores (i.e. original condition Model 1842 Percussion Muskets, etc.) albeit standard to them. By the end of the war Rifle Muskets had all but completely replaced smoothbores and such cartridges were dealt a serious blow. Soon thereafter, the advent of self-contained metallic cartridges, faster smokeless powders and their smaller bullets finished the job.

See CENTURION true Buck n Ball defense round. One .65 Ball, six #1 (.30) Buckshot -- ouch!

http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/250-rds-12-ga-2-3-4-multi-defense-buckshot-shells.aspx?a=573019


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Back then one could take out a soldier with a minor wound (let it finish the job days or weeks later).

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Quote:
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Ive started a thead on these already "winchester PDX1 defenders"

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The Winchester PDX1 is a really great shotgun rounds are pretty good.
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I can attest to the Centurion multi-defense rounds being very good rounds. I have shot at 30 yards and still had a pattern smaller than a paper plate through a cyl. bore barrel.

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Fire;
That group isn't what I'd want at that range with OC, but it is surprising and interesting anyway.

Are they full powered rounds and how's the recoil? If "max dram equivalent" and with that hefty payload, it's gotta be brutal to shoot...

Are they buffered?

Star or roll crimped/what kind of seal? Longer than typical American shells?!

How sturdy is the hull?

What kind of wad?

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its great marketing just like the judge



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