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Old 04-19-2013, 01:52 AM   #61
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:26 PM   #62
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Never posted gun porn before, but this thread got my attention.

This is my OSHP 870P w Surefire LED fore end and Hogue 12" LOP stock.

Any firearm used for defense of any kind should really have a light on it IMHO

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Never posted gun porn before, but this thread got my attention.

This is my OSHP 870P w Surefire LED fore end and Hogue 12" LOP stock.

Any firearm used for defense of any kind should really have a light on it IMHO
How do you like that surefire? I've been contemplating one
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:08 PM   #64
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Tactical shotgun= any shotgun with one or more accessory that gives you a slight ADVANTAGE than a standard or plain shotgun.

Adjustable stock (easier to maneuver)
Side saddle (more rounds that are easily accessible if needed)
Light (to see in the dark obviously)
Laser (to see where your shot will be without looking down the sights)
Etc
Etc

All of you talking about SIMPLE is better. These tactical accessories ARE simple. There isn't much difference between a regular shotgun and a tactical one except these few accessories that give a slight ADVANTAGE.

So when you brag that your simple shotgun is jussssst as good then you may be wrong when it's pitch black and you don't have a light.
Or if you need to shoot from the hip and you don't have a laser (because you've been knocked down maybe). Or the other guy has a gun and you've exchanged a few rounds/shells but you're out of ammo and don't have a side saddle on board.

Im not saying to throw ever accessory in the world on it. i too, think it should be kept simple. But y'all keep saying "less is better" and you're right. But what you're meaning to say is "NOTHING is better". Because you have nothing on yours. Which is fine. Do your thing.
And having NOTHING on a shotgun has ONE advantage. It's lighter. And I guess you could argue there's less things to "learn". But if you're dumb enough to not know how to use a light or a side saddle then you shouldn't be owning a gun. And if you're not strong enough to swing around an extra 1 or 2 pounds then start going to the gym.

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Tactically shotgun= any shotgun with one or more accessory that gives you a slight ADVANTAGE than a standard or plain shotgun.

Adjustable stock (easier to maneuver)
Side saddle (more rounds that are easily accessible if needed)
Light (to see in the dark obviously)
Laser (to see where your shot will be without looking down the sights)
Etc
Etc

All of you talking about SIMPLE is better. These tactical accessories ARE simple. There isn't much difference between a regular shotgun and a tactical one except these few accessories that give a slight ADVANTAGE.

So when you brag that your simple shotgun is jussssst as good then you may be wrong when it's pitch black and you don't have a light.
Or if you need to shoot from the hip and you don't have a laser (because you've been knocked down maybe). Or the other guy has a gun and you've exchanged a few rounds/shells but you're out of ammo and don't have a side saddle on board.

Y'all keep saying "less is better".
No. Less has ONE advantage. It's lighter. And I guess you could argue there's less things to "learn". But if you're dumb enough to not know how to use a light or a side saddle then you should be owning a gun.


And to the guy that hates glocks...cool dude. You go ahead and love your simple shotgun. And I'll go ahead and love my simple glock. Along with 95% of law enforcement in our country.
you are merely stating an opinion as to what you feel is an advantage to your particular needs. not everyone seems to feel they need those items on their shotgun for it to be effective, and i know i don't need them.

most patrol cops use very simple and plain jane shotguns without a bunch of tactical accessories on them. i wonder why that it?

and making assumptions about other peoples abilities when using firearms is a bit presumptious and arrogant on your part. i have used many of them in the past and have more than a fair working knowledge of using a tactical accessory equipped shotgun. so you need to stop assuming such things when making statements about other peoples abilities. especially when you have no idea as to what other peoples background might be and moreso when you don't know the people personally you are making those statements about.

my opinions are my own when i made the statements i did. i know what is best for my situations and what works the best for me. frankly i don't need some keyboard commando telling me what's best for me. those are my decisions to make, not your or anyone else's to make. a person needs to access what they need for their firearm and make their own choices.
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you are merely stating an opinion as to what you feel is an advantage to your particular needs. not everyone seems to feel they need those items on their shotgun for it to be effective, and i know i don't need them.

most patrol cops use very simple and plain jane shotguns without a bunch of tactical accessories on them. i wonder why that it?

and making assumptions about other peoples abilities when using firearms is a bit presumptious and arrogant on your part. i have used many of them in the past and have more than a fair working knowledge of using a tactical accessory equipped shotgun. so you need to stop assuming such things when making statements about other peoples abilities. especially when you have no idea as to what other peoples background might be and moreso when you don't know the people personally you are making those statements about.

my opinions are my own when i made the statements i did. i know what is best for my situations and what works the best for me. frankly i don't need some keyboard commando telling me what's best for me. those are my decisions to make, not your or anyone else's to make. a person needs to access what they need for their firearm and make their own choices.
It is a FACT not an opinion that these things give you an advantage. A LIGHT on a shotgun IS FACTUALLY BETTER than a shotgun without a light...unless you sleep with all the lights on in your house. But what if you have to go outside? Bottom line is, the shotgun is better equipped.

Yes, something like a pistol grip are merely personal preference. But if you add a light and a side saddle to a shotgun, it is then a TACTICAL shotgun. And it is now better of a shotgun then it was without them.
We're talking about the actual shotgun. Not the person holding it. A better equipped (tactical) shotgun is technically better then a shotgun with nothing on it because it is better equipped to handle any situation (close quarters, low light, shooting without looking down the sights, etc)

Take out the human element. The tactical shotgun is better. If you were to choose to be extremely proficient with a shotgun, wouldn't you choose to be proficient with all these things that give you an advantage?
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And I'm not telling you what's best for you. Do your own thing. Why would I care about your choice of defense? I don't.
All I'm doing is making a statement that tactical shotguns are better equipped and have advantages that yours doesn't...
Which makes them BETTER.
Whether its BETTER for you an your situation is your own opinion.
But before you said that all your "wisdom" led you to believe that simple (aka no accessories) is better.
And that isn't an opinion.
Those accessories give advantages that make them better than the same shotgun with no accessories. That is a fact. Whether that setup works better for you is simply an opinion.

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It is a FACT not an opinion that these things give you an advantage. A LIGHT on a shotgun IS FACTUALLY BETTER than a shotgun without a light...unless you sleep with all the lights on in your house. But what if you have to go outside? Bottom line is, the shotgun is better equipped.

Yes, something like a pistol grip are merely personal preference. But if you add a light and a side saddle to a shotgun, it is then a TACTICAL shotgun. And it is now better of a shotgun then it was without them.
We're talking about the actual shotgun. Not the person holding it. A better equipped (tactical) shotgun is technically better then a shotgun with nothing on it because it is better equipped to handle any situation (close quarters, low light, shooting without looking down the sights, etc)

Take out the human element. The tactical shotgun is better. If you were to choose to be extremely proficient with a shotgun, wouldn't you choose to be proficient with all these things that give you an advantage?
just because you say it doesn't make it a FACT! that is strictly your opinion in the vast array of opinions out there. and maybe it's what's best for you. you have no idea of my needs or what my environment is to be making assumptions as to what i best for me. that is nothing more than arrogance on your part, again! you want to make suggestions as to what you feel is better, than fine, make suggestions, but stop trying to come off as if you know what is best for everyone else. let people make their own minds up as to what they feel they need for their situation, not yours.

in many states, taking the confrontation with a BG outside the house, equals bad problems for you. because now you have just went from SD to possible pursuit and then possible attempted murder or manslaughter if you engage the BG. you are now trying to give other really bad advice that could get others in some legal problems if they listen to you. you might want to refrain from giving such bad advice.
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So much more drama in the shotgun form than the AR forum. LOL!

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