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Old 10-30-2013, 09:08 PM   #11
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Most people shot by a shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot in the torso inside 20 yards don't survive the encounter. You are playing a game that quite possibly could have been created by someone that has never fired a weapon. Even if the game designer is a weapons expert, it wouldn't be much fun if you are "killed" by the first shot.

My neighbors son thinks he is weapons expert because he does quite well with video games. I brought a 22LR single action revolver for him to shoot. When the gun went off he dropped it. His tanned face was pale white. To his credit he did pick the pistol up and empty it out. He even settled down for a lesson on how to clean and care for a SA revolver.


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I know the lethality of a shotgun especially inside 20 meters. I'm not advocating for the shotgun in the game to be a 1 hit kill at 20 meters.

I made a hypothetical damage scale of 50 yards- 10-15% damage, 35-40 yards 20-25% damage, 20-30 yards 40-45% damage, 10-19 yards 45-50% damage, 1-9 yards 50-100% damage, out of 100% starting health. I think that would be a far more accurate portrayal of a real shotgun while still making it balanced


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The game description for the weapon says 14". Also orange, I do not think a 14" inch barrel 870 would lose its pattern that drastically at 20 yards, I would say more like 50 yards from the videos I've watched, since longer barreled shotguns can hit man sized targets at 100 yards semi effectively. Would the army really employ a weapon that was only effective at such a short range? That would seem to be quite a crutch if a shotgun were only effective at 10 yards.

And seeing as the Army has access to premium ammunition and barrel chokes, and the time and resources to test the weapon system, I would think that they would have a shotgun that is effective out to at the least 35 yards, I would think 50 yards.
i think you need to go and shoot some shotguns with different loads at different distances with different lenght barrels. then you would have a more realistic understanding of how shotguns work, vs. a video game.
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i think you need to go and shoot some shotguns with different loads at different distances with different lenght barrels. then you would have a more realistic understanding of how shotguns work, vs. a video game.
I hear that bear cubs make an excellent and reactive target.
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I hear that bear cubs make an excellent and reactive target.
but it's still a real shotgun!
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but it's still a real shotgun!
Of course, it would be cruel and torturous to use a fake one. "Bye, bye baby bear...[click]...[maniacal laughter]"
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Of course, it would be cruel and torturous to use a fake one. "Bye, bye baby bear...[click]...[maniacal laughter]"
Alright, well you can keep thinking that a 14" barrel shotgun would lose all its range at a puny 10 yards, and that the Army would even use such a PoS weapon... and I'll keep looking for the strange universe you pulled that idea out of

Oh, and I'll shoot your bear any day of the week, right in the brain, first shot, (maniacal laughter)
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This game is developed and funded by the United States Army its self.
And there's the problem.
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With a cylinder bore barrel, OO buck will generally spread at a rate of 1"/yard from the barrel to the target. 20 yard range - 20" pattern. You shold expect at least 50% hits at that range. 14" or 20" barrel really does not matter much at all. Some of the newer "tactical" loads will do better than that. Federal Tactical OO buck will cut that pattern in half.

Against an un-armored adversary the 14" 870 and OO buck is VERY lethal at 20 yards. Remember, the game is written with parameters set out by some Army brass who favor rifles over shotguns for combat. They do not want new recruits thinking a shotgun is superior to their M-4


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