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CJx 10-30-2013 08:06 PM

Shotgun in a video game
 
I want to discuss the shotgun in a video game America's Army:Proving Grounds with you guys here on the forum, who are knowledgeable and aficionados.

The shotgun in this video game, is, in my opinion (I would say fact), a complete joke. I have already tested the shotgun in this game (00 Buckshot U.S Army standards), and at 20 yards the shotgun will not hit a player at all with the rare exception of a single stray pellet connecting.

At a mere 10 yards, the shotgun in this game will take approximately 10% of a players health away, meaning it takes approximately 10(ten) 00 Buckshot rounds to kill or incapacitate a player, at 10 yards!

At about 7 yards or less, the shotgun "magically" steps back on the stage and will 1-2 shot incap players.

This game is called America's Army:Proving Grounds, and that is the kicker. This game is developed and funded by the United States Army its self.

Players in this game defend the shotgun as I described it in above, and my question is, is this an accurate representation of what a U.S. Army Remington 870 14" Barrel 00 Buckshot shotgun would do in real life?

Please do note that I have actually tested the distances and figures I stated above, and am not just estimating or fabricating them, that is what the shotgun really does in this game.

*Disclaimer- I posted this in the shotgun section because I want to discuss real life shotgun ballistics vs. the shotgun in the United States Army video game, there will be no complaint from me if this topic is moved to a different section.

Argyle_Armoring 10-30-2013 08:13 PM

Are your targets in the game wearing any type of body armor or just hadji's in togas?

CJx 10-30-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Armoring (Post 1417965)
Are your targets in the game wearing any type of body armor or just hadji's in togas?

No, not in this game. All they have is a health bar that starts at 100%

Argyle_Armoring 10-30-2013 08:38 PM

Well, I don't have a health bar so it all depends on what is covering your target's body.

CJx 10-30-2013 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Armoring (Post 1417995)
Well, I don't have a health bar so it all depends on what is covering your target's body.

This is true. I think it's safe to say that there is nothing functioning as body armor in the game, so it's basically as if players are just wearing clothes.

But there is the fact that the shotgun completely misses people at only 20 yards, not a single pellet will connect. I don't this this enigma directly relates to body armor.

Argyle_Armoring 10-30-2013 08:51 PM

A 14" Remington 870 with a 3+1 magazine will lose a lot of it's patterning at 20 yards so yes, it is possible that only a 1 or 2 pellets would make contact with your target. I would say your effective range with the 14" 870 would be at 10 yards and closer. I'm sure some on here will disagree with me but that's what opinions are for.

JonM 10-30-2013 08:53 PM

The operatibe word is game. Its made to be playable and fun as a recruiting tool. Its not a depiction of real life weapon systems as they work. If the game was depicting real life you would only ever get one chance to play. Die in game and the server would never ever let you log back on.

There is no depiction of the terrible wounds and decades of therapy wounded go through to recover if they ever do.

orangello 10-30-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Armoring (Post 1418017)
A 14" Remington 870 with a 3+1 magazine will lose a lot of it's patterning at 20 yards so yes, it is possible that only a 1 or 2 pellets would make contact with your target. I would say your effective range with the 14" 870 would be at 10 yards and closer. I'm sure some on here will disagree with me but that's what opinions are for.

14"? That's pretty short for regular army, isn't it? I thought they got the Mossberg with the metal trigger guard M590 or something? Doesn't it usually come with the 18" barrel good for another couple of yards on the pattern?

CJx 10-30-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by orangello (Post 1418027)
14"? That's pretty short for regular army, isn't it? I thought they got the Mossberg with the metal trigger guard M590 or something? Doesn't it usually come with the 18" barrel good for another couple of yards on the pattern?

The game description for the weapon says 14". Also orange, I do not think a 14" inch barrel 870 would lose its pattern that drastically at 20 yards, I would say more like 50 yards from the videos I've watched, since longer barreled shotguns can hit man sized targets at 100 yards semi effectively. Would the army really employ a weapon that was only effective at such a short range? That would seem to be quite a crutch if a shotgun were only effective at 10 yards.

And seeing as the Army has access to premium ammunition and barrel chokes, and the time and resources to test the weapon system, I would think that they would have a shotgun that is effective out to at the least 35 yards, I would think 50 yards.

Jagermeister 10-30-2013 09:04 PM

I get a good 30 meters with my 590 Mariner with both 0 to 00 buck on paper targets. I take out fox at that max range too.


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