Originally Posted by silverado113
Just wondering on how far you would say is the maximum effective range (to kill someone) with 12GA bird shot is?
I think more in terms of effectiveness in the small confines of my house. My home was built in the 1920's and has small rooms and too many doorways like a lot of older houses do. Even if I was cowering behind my wife leaning against the headboard of our bed while she held the shotgun pointed at the door it would be less than the 12 feet used in the box o' truth tests.
All of the "proof" he uses against birdshot is anecdotal, i.e. "I heard of a guy who...." type stories. I have personal experience with a cousin who was shot with bird shot, in the leg no less, and was airlifted to a trauma center. They were unsure if he would keep his leg. Amazingly he survived and thrives.
I have shot thousands of rounds of shotgun shells, sometimes just messing around to see what happens with a round at a particular distance. I am positive that if I hit an intruder with birdshot from the maximum distance possible in my house that he will be adversely affected. Possibly fatally, if the attack continues I have several more ready to go downrange in a very short time.
I don't give any credance to comparing sheetrock to soft tissue. No comparison at all. That kind of test is only marginal for judging penetration of walls in that it does not take into consideration furnishings or other obstructions that the shot may have to pass through. You couldn't realistically shoot through three or four walls (6 or 8 thicknesses of sheetrock) without a chair, bookcase, wall decoration, etc. being involved.
Michael Bane featured the use of the .380 pocket pistols on "The Best Defense" tv show once. I don't remember the exact words, but in essence it was that a faceful of those little bullets would ruin anybody's day. The same I am sure is true with birdshot moving at 1200fps.