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Old 03-18-2012, 05:29 PM   #21
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Lol I'm 210 6'1 and I'm mean if I want to get hunting and/or long range firing
Here's the thing about shotguns. They have massive amounts of energy at the muzzel, but they drop off really quick. At 100 yards, if you use a top quality slug, you've got 60% of the energy you did at the muzzel. If you use standard slugs, it's closer to 50%. To put that in perspective, you've got the muzzel energy of a .308 at 0 yards, and the muzzel energy of a .223 at 100 yards.

If you want to go long range, get a rifle. You want a big gun? .45-70 or a .30-06 are some big cartridges. .308 is pretty solid too.
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The reason why I said over kill. Is because out in the woods where the deer are you will be lucky to get a clear 75 yard or longer shot. My old 20 at 50 yards left an entry and exit wound, then imbedded into the tree behind it. he actully jumped and room about 10 strides then fell right in front of my stand. Dead within seconds. I hit his lungs and ruptured his heart. A perfect shot. The 12 just isn't needed unless you want 100+ yards. But like I said where in the wood will you get that shot?
100 yards with a 12 that's a hell of a spread then. I figured they would fall off at about 75 I'm going to check in to that I'll post a pick of the pattern with 2 3/4 ,3 ,3 1/2. I'm not so convinced that any shot gun has that kind of range.
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Just thank about this some of the people say a 12 ga is over kill. But I say there is no such thang as over kill when protecting your self your home and your family so 12ga all the way for me.
For home defense 20 ga is more than adequate. I think the 20 ga is probably a better choice for Home Defense since you can get back on target faster than a 20 ga. If you can only have 1 shotgun though, get a 12 ga.
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I've got a 20g and my friend has a 12g to me mine does just as much damage in bird shot and slugs. My 20g accually has a tighter pattern also which I like but you can also get different chokes for that.

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I would go with the 12ga. For the main reason if things got hard you could probably have the ability to locate 12 ga. ammunition over the other gauges at almost and store or location if you had to search for some. In addition they also have a vast amount of ammunition choices and too and including good for geese hunting. With slugs and bucks they can be a devastating weapon and excellent for good shot placement up to 100 yards for defense. I have several gauge shotguns but if I was going to depend on one for all purposes it would no doubt be the 12 ga. From the Old tried and true Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 Series to the new semi-autos as the Remington 1187 and Benelli Shotguns. Good luck on your selection. I would recomend going to a show or several shops and check each out and find the one you like and fits you best.

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For home defense 20 ga is more than adequate. I think the 20 ga is probably a better choice for Home Defense since you can get back on target faster than a 20 ga. If you can only have 1 shotgun though, get a 12 ga.
True less recoil dose mean faster follow up shots. But to be honest there shouldn't need to be any follow up shots one round will do more than enuf. And if you can't hit a full grown man from 30 ft with a shotgun with one shot you shouldn't even have one. But I do see your point some times things do happen and you need to be back on target. They will both work grate it all comes down to what you won't a little more firepower or a little less recoil. And something to consider is are you going to be the only one using it. If your wife or someone is going to use it a 12ga mite be a bit much. Not saying girls can't handle it my wife shoots 12 ga 3 1/2 as well as me and she is not a big girl. it's just something to consider
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The rem 870 is what most military and police use. I know a lot of people in the Marin's and army and police officers some who are on swat and they all swear by the 870
Thanks fellas I've just went to a few armoires and started my first payment on a 870 12g with a grip on the pump pretty happy with it. Ill put a pic up when I get it. Thanks for the education!
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Also make sure you get something with a good amount of upgrade capability. You might won't to add a extended mag tube or something and you don't won't something that you got to go through hell to get parts for. And all so don't over look the rem 1187 and ext. you might be interested in something sim auto.

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100 yards with a 12 that's a hell of a spread then. I figured they would fall off at about 75 I'm going to check in to that I'll post a pick of the pattern with 2 3/4 ,3 ,3 1/2. I'm not so convinced that any shot gun has that kind of range.
i deer hunt with slugs not buck shot. and i also saw a post about 870 being military, which i know for sure the navy uses the 500. and as far as i knew it was standard threw all branches of military. but the 870 a lot of leo's use. both guns are awesome 1st shotgun. best bet with figuring out which one to get is go to a gun store and pick up both. see which one fits you best.
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Thanks fellas I've just went to a few armoires and started my first payment on a 870 12g with a grip on the pump pretty happy with it. Ill put a pic up when I get it. Thanks for the education!
I'll never understand the pistol grip shotgun.

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