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It depends on what type of mods you are looking at doing. They are both really great guns. The down side of the M500 is that the safety is located on top of the receiver, so putting a pistol grip w/ a folding or collapsible stock is out of the question if you still want to be able to use the safety effectively.

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You believe the guns made in mexico can compete with a traditional firearm of yesteryear? Have you seen some of those guns. I would never use one as a home defence gun in fear of a malfunction. When an actual skilled laborer put somethig together not a machine or some poor kid in a factory. When you take the skilled laborers out of production you lose all the quality. Its just like the japanese knock off 97. Unskilled laborers, cheap metals, and poor quality control have led to absolute crap coming out of most factories.

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You believe the guns made in mexico can compete with a traditional firearm of yesteryear? Have you seen some of those guns. I would never use one as a home defence gun in fear of a malfunction. When an actual skilled laborer put somethig together not a machine or some poor kid in a factory. When you take the skilled laborers out of production you lose all the quality. Its just like the japanese knock off 97. Unskilled laborers, cheap metals, and poor quality control have led to absolute crap coming out of most factories.
I just have to throw the B.S. flag on this. Making things in Japan is very costly, that's why more and more of your Japanese car models are made here. And none of the Japanese support staff where I work have been remotely unskilled or uneducated. They start their job training in their early teens and stay with the same company all their lives. There are actually places named Toyoda City or high school in Japan. Another thing you don't seem to understand is that items are many times built to customer specs. If they order junk at junk prices that's what gets delivered. If you want hand fitted parts Wilson Combat, Ken Novak, Les Baer, Colt custom shop, S&W custom shop can all fix you right up, from pieces to complete weapons. Acceptable defect rate where I am is 15 parts per million, we aren't making junk, maybe it's your shopping that needs help.
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I own a Mossberg 500, but the next shotgun I buy will

probably be an 870. I'll be interested to see if the 500

has truly earned it's rep for bad recoil . . .
I have both, an 870 with an 18.5 inch barrel, and a mossberg with an 8+1 tube, and 20 inch barrel, and yes, the mossberg kicks a lot more.
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It depends on what type of mods you are looking at doing. They are both really great guns. The down side of the M500 is that the safety is located on top of the receiver, so putting a pistol grip w/ a folding or collapsible stock is out of the question if you still want to be able to use the safety effectively.
I don't use the stocks you mention but can picture the problem. Haven't owned an 870 in 20 years but seem to remember a reversible safety was made for them. Guess the M4 stocks for the Mossy would have the same problem.
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A friend bought a 500 combo with rifled slug barrel, a vent rib with 3 chokes,and plastic stock for $300.

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A friend bought a 500 combo with rifled slug barrel, a vent rib with 3 chokes,and plastic stock for $300.
Exactly. Very versatile quality gun for the $$$$ IMO.
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I just bought my first shotgun 2 days ago. It's the Mossberg 500, I love this gun! Very versatile and reliable. My brother is in law enforcement and they use the Mossberg 500 as well here in NC.

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You believe the guns made in mexico can compete with a traditional firearm of yesteryear? Have you seen some of those guns. I would never use one as a home defence gun in fear of a malfunction. When an actual skilled laborer put somethig together not a machine or some poor kid in a factory. When you take the skilled laborers out of production you lose all the quality. Its just like the japanese knock off 97. Unskilled laborers, cheap metals, and poor quality control have led to absolute crap coming out of most factories.
I know they don't sell as many Assembled/Made in Mexico/China guns as 870's but I also don't see complaints, particularly about the Mavericks. But I know 870 Expresses reflect the issues you mention above: the problems I've seen and read about are so predominantly 870 Express dominated it astounds me anyone who goes to a range, knows any shooters, or can read and has a PC ever buys one.

And then there are the fanboys here who are compelled to defend the whole 870 family by referring to their own that works but that's probably so old their Dad or Grandad could have owned it...
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I'm not 100% sure what makes an 870 Wingmaster a Wingmaster but I used to think they were OK. Well, I still do though I don't use them at this time. I believe I would look at any other name brand to buy myself today and not skimp with a China made pump.

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