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Old 10-28-2007, 10:41 PM   #11
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If your going to be shooting coyotes I would recomand number 4 buck shot, but make sure there is nothing behind the coyote when you shoot as these will rickoshet about like .22 rimfires, only there is alot more of them every time you pull the trigger.

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Old 10-29-2007, 02:40 AM   #12
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What won't ricochet "like .22 rim fires" when I shoot?

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Any type of ammo fired has the possibility of a ricochet. The higher up you go with shot shell size #5, #6, #7 1/2 etc they more BB's you put out there to have ricochet, just smaller in size.

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Old 10-29-2007, 01:24 PM   #14
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Fixed cylinder refers to a non choked barrel (cylinder bore) without the ability to interchange choke tubes (fixed).
3" shells are over rated for defensive purposes. They give you a heavier charge of shot (more pellets) and MUCH stiffer recoil. I have never seen a bad guy continue a fight after taking a load of 2 3/4" OO buckshot.
For home defense, #4 buck is good. I do not use it because it lacks consistant lethality past 15-20 yards. Each pellet is too small to get the job done at longer ranges. I have killed Coyotes at 65 yards using OOO buck. One pellet to the chest kills em. #4 buck will not do that at extended ranges.

The 3" chamber simply gives you more versatility in case you happen upon some 3" ammo.

Slugs- I would not recommend shooting slugs through a choke tighter than Modified. You "may" never have a problem, but you may have a big problem.
In a smooth bore barrel use only "rifled slugs". Sabot slugs will not be accurate unless you have a rifled barrel

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Old 10-29-2007, 03:27 PM   #15
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So, use "rifle slugs", as in slugs that are rifled,

or, option 2, slugs FOR rifled guns?

Thanks for the help.

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Sorry must have typo'd. "Rifled slugs". The Foster type slugs that have rifling cast into them. They will turn, just a bit, but enough to be stable. Not really any good for anti personnel/ hunting beyond 100 yards but very effective w/in 100. FWIW I used to regularily hit a truck (at a Military range) at 400 meters with 1 oz Winchester slugs out of an 18" cylinder bore tube. Once you range it in it is kind of like shooting an M-203. You can feel the hold over (about 14 feet at that range).
The "Sabot slugs" use a sub caliber projectile (usually about .60 cal) and platic "collars" that break away after leaving the barrel. They require a rifled barrel or at least a rifled choke tube. Otherwise they tend to tumble past 25 yards or so.

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Old 10-29-2007, 05:23 PM   #17
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Thanks for the help. I found some slugs that are rifled at my local gun store when I was looking around. I'll stop by next week and get my gun and ammunition.

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Achilles, what was the outcome? Did you go get your new baby?

A lot of good info from our comrades in the posts.

I use the same setup (18" 870) police with a fixed choke. I have had great success with 00 buck and 1 oz slugs (on paper ). However, it has been with a very specific round. I have shot all manner of buck and slugs in it, some very very hard recoiling in 2 3/4 (I don't mess with the 3 for self defense loads). The Remington reduced or managed recoil slugs and 00 buck are excellent balance between power and the ability to get an accurate second shot off. The wife can easily shoot them as well. At 100 yds (ridiculous range I know) I have hit a silhouette mid section with an aim point of the top of the head.

The only other piece of advice I would offer is the 18" for self defense has to be "aimed" not pointed as you would do when hunting/ wingshooting. So practice, train and shoot a lot. I hope you enjoy your gal.

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the Remington 870 12 ga. Express Magnum was my first gun too. I have the same gun, 18" barrel and syn stock.

For ammo i keep mine loaded as follows

1. 7 1/2 bird shot
2. #4 buck
3&4. 00 Buck
5. slug.

Skip any "less than lethal loads" If the load doesn't put them down and keep them down...what are you going to do next when they get back up?

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thats gud compination for home defence alrite. i find magum super x to be really gud.. try them.. quick gun question??? ive recently a bought remington 870 with camo stock and pump?? wud it look well if these where painted black?? by someone who new what they were doing?? if so wat paint, how is it done ect

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