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Old 12-22-2012, 12:37 PM   #41
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when did this freedom group acquisition occur?

I bought my 870 in 03, it's the home defender model with an extended mag tube and 18" barrel, no threads for a choke, wide open smooth bore.

I love that gun, I've fired thousands of rounds through it, not once has it ever malfunctioned. I think I've run the bore snake through it maybe twice? other than that, I have never really cleaned it. just a few drops of oil here, a few drops of oil there, and rack it!

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Mr. Mopar should keep his 870!

As for the other stuff, if a gun has generally poor design, quality control, construction, and materials and you magically want others to fix your mistake after the fact of not having done more homework or having made a poor choice in spite of warnings, I'm not sure what else 870 owners could possibly want done for them.

At some point they are forced to admit the truth (though the most vocal will only admit it to themselves) and take personal responsibility. The sooner the better.

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Old 12-22-2012, 04:22 PM   #43
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HockaLouis, the anti Remington rants have gotten old. You are as entitled to an opinion as anyone else, but you have turned this into a crusade. Take care, your ego is showing.

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Hock: what specifically do you have against the 870 design? Police & military have been using it since the 1950s and they continue to buy & use it.

My brother is LEO and he was issued a short barrel 870 that has seen bu-co service & keeps on ticking despite exceedingly rough treatment and probably less maintenance then he would admit to.

The 870s reputation for reliability & dependability was one of the reasons why I bought my 870 to replace the Mossberg POS I had & sold. (Gold 20 ga w only one charging bar ) I paid $269 for the 870 Express 20 ga. A few years ago.

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Mossberg this! Remington that! I am personally getting tired of all the gun bashing. Both have good points, both have bad. Can't we all just agree to disagree, (no, instead we "dis" the gun).

I like Remingtons and Mossbergs. My wife loves her Mossbergs. The guns do not fight for territory late at njght in the safe. Granted, I have heard strange noises in the safe at night, and have found an 870 I swear I didn't buy.;

If my wife and I don't fight over which is better, why cant some of us on the forum. It goes back to a lesson learned in kindergarten, if not at home. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.

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Note: I did not say ALL Mossbergs nor did I just state my opinion but listed a specific problem - "one charging bar"

I actually agree w Hock about SD guns being reliable w ammo of choice. (Except nothing is 100%)

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Note: I did not say ALL Mossbergs nor did I just state my opinion but listed a specific problem - "one charging bar"

I actually agree w Hock about SD guns being reliable w ammo of choice. (Except nothing is 100%)
Don't worry, my post was not directed at anyone in particular. It was just a general Tension reliever\ rant for me to get it out of my system.
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CMJ, I had some trouble with two Remington rifles last year and after experiencing mixed results with the service reps at Big Green I tracked down the VP of Service Operations responsible for warranty repairs and customer service. I shall send you his contact information in a message.

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I am a police armorer. I have even seen the extraction issues with the 870P. We have tried just about every trick in the book and on certian guns the problem still exist. These guns range from 1994 manf. to 2010. Seems that it is more luck of the draw than anything.

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Why would anyone think that a 300 dollar long gun, retail, will be totally reliable or have the best fit and finish available?

Neither Remington nor any other manufacturer can make a bottom dollar gun of any kind that's equivalent to something that costs 50% to 100% more.

I have a 870 Police model and have never had a problem with it. The action is smooth, it locks up properly, and it cycles everything I feed it. I mostly use 00 buck and slugs, but I do shoot other types of shot through it. I've handled and shot enough 870 Express models to know that they were designed as hunting guns, not defense guns. The actions were rough, the cycling was not 100%, and the design was, of course, not suitable for defense.

Why purchase the 870 Express when the cost of upgrading one is equivalent to the purchase of the 870 Police?

Why do people expect an unpolished blued finish to be as corrosion resistant as Parkerizing or Meloniting?

I'm sure Remington would produce 870's with higher quality if that's what the market demanded of them. Unfortunately, many Americans purchase based only on price point. Colt stopped making the Python revolvers because it could not sell them at a competitive price point. That's a real shame because few revolvers had better actions from the factory.

No one is willing to pay for the cost of quality and yet everyone loudly complains about the lack of quality and attention to detail with the new mass-produced arms.

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