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Davyboy 10-01-2012 09:51 PM

Pump v auto home defence
 
The sound of reloading a pump is awesome and IMHO lulls people into a false sense of security. It can take just over a second to cross a 20ft room. Take into account reaction time you would be lucky to get off 1 shot with a pump. A good modern reliable auto would increase fire power to up to 5. Purists may spout reliability and maybe 50 years ago that may have been an argument. Given the miss fire rate of most modern semi auto shotguns give me auto every time. Comments and opinions please.

25-5 10-01-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Davyboy
The sound of reloading a pump is awesome and IMHO lulls people into a false sense of security.

The first sound is the first shot a sound that is awesome and final. Then comes the sound of reloading. And as awesome as that is only you can hear it.

Virginian 10-01-2012 10:34 PM

The only sound an intruder might hear from me would be the click of the safety. I would have no trouble with a semi or a pump or a SxS. I do not expect a truckload of zombies. One shot, one kill.

Davyboy 10-01-2012 10:42 PM

Speed and fire power is what I am talking about

RemFire 10-01-2012 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 25-5 (Post 960722)
The first sound is the first shot a sound that is awesome and final. Then comes the sound of reloading. And as awesome as that is only you can hear it.


Well, probably not actually, I've never tried firing a shotgun in a house, but from shooting near buildings and walls I'm guessing the blast of a shotgun in a small room is going to leave you pretty deaf for a minute or two?.

I sometimes wonder how that would work out for you in a situation where you need all your senses working A1. It would be ok if it was one shot - job done, but what if you miss first time?, what if there’s more than one threat?. But that’s another subject I guess.

One other thing for the semi, if you get shot in the arm at least you can still run the gun one handed pretty efficiently !.:D

I’ve got two semi’s but if things were bad enough to have one for home defense, I'd just be sure to keep it clean and loaded with good ammo, then I wouldn't worry to much about stoppages.

rifleman1 10-01-2012 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RemFire (Post 960753)
Well, probably not actually, I've never tried firing a shotgun in a house, but from shooting near buildings and walls I'm guessing the blast of a shotgun in a small room is going to leave you pretty deaf for a minute or two?.

I sometimes wonder how that would work out for you in a situation where you need all your senses working A1. It would be ok if it was one shot - job done, but what if you miss first time?, what if thereís more than one threat?. But thatís another subject I guess.

One other thing for the semi, if you get shot in the arm at least you can still run the gun one handed pretty efficiently !.:D

Iíve got two semiís but if things were bad enough to have one for home defense, I'd just be sure to keep it clean and loaded with good ammo, then I wouldn't worry to much about stoppages.

iv actually shot inside of a house both a shot gun and a handgun just to see the effects it would have on me,it was defening and the flash from the revolver i used could temporaly somwhat blind you.
i tried it because the house was on my familys property and was being tore down if you use a gun for home defense to me this is a good way to know what your going to experience.
my choice though is the pump just personal prefrence.

CHLChris 10-01-2012 11:23 PM

If someone has the money for 2 home defense shotguns (I'm not counting the duck gun), it would be good to get one of each. However, if only one, like me, I'd much rather have a pump. In SHTF scenarios, there is sooooo much less that can go wrong with a pump, long term.

Tell us a good semi-auto 12-gauge that isn't $1000!

ellis36 10-01-2012 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Davyboy (Post 960679)
Comments and opinions please.

I think a lot depends on which one is most natural for you. For instance, for me the semi is the one I use the most and so I find myself having to remember to rack the slide on the pump. And there is a 'feel' for racking the slide fully so it cycles completely that I personally don't have and would be concerned that in a threat situation I might jam it. So it's the 1100 or the 935 for me. But I do keep one in the pipe.

None of mine cost $1000, but they have never failed to go 'boom' when I squeezed the triggerÖ.and never failed to cycle through every shell in the tube.

25-5 10-01-2012 11:45 PM

[QUOTE="RemFire"]

Well, probably not actually, I've never tried firing a shotgun in a house, but from shooting near buildings and walls I'm guessing the blast of a shotgun in a small room is going to leave you pretty deaf for a minute or two?.

I sometimes wonder how that would work out for you in a situation where you need all your senses working A1. It would be ok if it was one shot - job done, but what if you miss first time?,

Miss?????? What's that?
I must Google the term!

orangello 10-02-2012 12:00 AM

The reason my pump shotgun is within my reach when i'm asleep is that i am confident in my ability to use it while startled, falling, lying in bed, or dazed. I have used this very shotgun while so cold i was afraid to fall asleep in the stand. I have had it since 1995; it has earned my trust. If i ever reach the point when my XD45 is as comfortable, i might put it on the night stand as well, but until then it must languish in the safe. If i was a younger person who grew up hunting waterfowl and was more comfortable with a semi-auto shotty, then it would be beside the bed, loaded and waiting.

Not being as "up to date" on the semi's, i am not familiar with the "security" models. I find myself wondering how a shorter barrel would affect cycling on the semi's. My pump was not affected by the barrel swap to an 18.5" security barrel (bird barrel in the safe).


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