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Old 09-17-2013, 02:52 PM   #11
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Did I miss something? I don't recall the OP ever specifying why he needs a new shotgun, yet everyone is assuming his current one doesn't fit.

OP - is that the case? Or is yours broken in some way? Maybe you just WANT a new one?

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Did I miss something? I don't recall the OP ever specifying why he needs a new shotgun, yet everyone is assuming his current one doesn't fit.

OP - is that the case? Or is yours broken in some way? Maybe you just WANT a new one?
Not stepping on your toes here, but the description of "My little 870 youth model" does imply the need for something that fits better, or wanting a bigger gauge. I can't speak for others, but that is what I myself read in the the OP.

I do have to ask though, was the 870 bashing necessary? JD, where is the proof that the 500 is superior to the 870? I have both, and they get the same amount of use with no problems from either one in the 10 plus years I have owned them. Both are used by LEOs and the military, (590 by our boys in green), and have been proven to be reliable in some pretty intense conditions.

Not trying to be a d!ck, just wondering.
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Not stepping on your toes here, but the description of "My little 870 youth model" does imply the need for something that fits better, or wanting a bigger gauge. I can't speak for others, but that is what I myself read in the the OP.

I do have to ask though, was the 870 bashing necessary? JD, where is the proof that the 500 is superior to the 870? I have both, and they get the same amount of use with no problems from either one in the 10 plus years I have owned them. Both are used by LEOs and the military, (590 by our boys in green), and have been proven to be reliable in some pretty intense conditions.

Not trying to be a d!ck, just wondering.
Gah I did miss the word "little"

That's why I asked.
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I noticed something interesting. I have a an Rem 870, M-berg, 500 and 590 along with a a Win. 1300. All are at least 10 years old. The M-bergs and Win. are probably close to 20.

I was at my LGS picking up a pistol Friday. While I waited on paperwork I looked at a new 500 and a 1300. I was amazed at how cheaply made they seems to be compared to my older versions. Seems like a lot more stamped "pot metal". I would not purchase a newer one of either of these weapons. I'm not advocating the 870 either, I've heard that they are not what they used to be either.

If you haves chance compare a newer one to an older version and see what ya think.

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I noticed something interesting. I have a an Rem 870, M-berg, 500 and 590 along with a a Win. 1300. All are at least 10 years old. The M-bergs and Win. are probably close to 20. I was at my LGS picking up a pistol Friday. While I waited on paperwork I looked at a new 500 and a 1300. I was amazed at how cheaply made they seems to be compared to my older versions. Seems like a lot more stamped "pot metal". I would not purchase a newer one of either of these weapons. I'm not advocating the 870 either, I've heard that they are not what they used to be either. If you haves chance compare a newer one to an older version and see what ya think.
Agreed!! The older ones feel/shoot a lot more stiff and Solid..
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really can't blame the gun makers because a ton of folks want the cheapest thing humanly possible. Actually, the new Expresses I have seen lately looked a little better than their predecessors.

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Not stepping on your toes here, but the description of "My little 870 youth model" does imply the need for something that fits better, or wanting a bigger gauge. I can't speak for others, but that is what I myself read in the the OP.

I do have to ask though, was the 870 bashing necessary? JD, where is the proof that the 500 is superior to the 870? I have both, and they get the same amount of use with no problems from either one in the 10 plus years I have owned them. Both are used by LEOs and the military, (590 by our boys in green), and have been proven to be reliable in some pretty intense conditions.

Not trying to be a d!ck, just wondering.
To start off with the 870 looks like an investment casting that someone forgot to knock the slag off it. Second I can't shoot an 870 without it malfunctioning. I have literally shot dozens of 870's that malfunctioned every single time I attempted to shoot a double with one. I never have that issue with a Mossberg 500. If you shoot a shotgun slowly bang, bang an 870 is a fine gun for you. If you frequently are accused of busting both clays with a single shot but you fired the gun twice you need a Mossberg 500 to keep up with you. The 870 will short stroke every time if you shoot it that quickly. I find that type performance frustrating. I won't tolerate it, nor will I advise anyone to accept it.
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Strange, I have not had a bit of trouble with many 870s Expresses, or Mossbergs, or BPSs, save for a few that didn't like Winchester Universal shells without a little chamber honing.

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Strange, I have not had a bit of trouble with many 870s Expresses, or Mossbergs, or BPSs, save for a few that didn't like Winchester Universal shells without a little chamber honing.
Virginian, you have always been straight up and I have no reason to doubt you. I don't have a problem as much with a broke in 870 since my health is going downhill. The 870 does two things to me it has a long space between ejection and presenting a shell for battery. Second you actually have to pull back on the slide with light loads. None of the guns I own require the shooter to pull back on the slide, including a 1970 something graded 870. The older field grade 870 is very nice and it is comparable to a pigeon grade browning pump.
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