Originally Posted by shaker
Wow allot of hate on the saiga!!!!
I owned a 930 mossberg it was good but nothing compared at all to the saigas.
To my knowledge there is not a semi shotgun that compares to the saiga 12.
Beta mags, 100's of custom after market parts, gas piston operated, Russian built, quick mag reloads, built on an ak style frame, same reliably factor of the ak and so on.
Now as far as target shooting I'm sure there are better but for protection or war I don't think any come close.
I fail to understand your logic. When hunting doves the law limits hunters to a three shot magazine. In a good field you have birds flying all the time. Yet my pump shotgun never is empty. When I shoot a shot I reload. I don't wait until the gun is empty. I can reload a Mossberg 500 before you get the magazine detached from the Saiga. Another plus is anyone can learn to reload a tube magazine on the move. It's not so simple with a detachable magazine.
In a race to fire 100 rounds at random targets (like IDPA) I can beat any Saiga with my Maverick 88. Weighed down by heavy ammo and all those heavy magazines a Recon Ranger would be out of breath. I really doubt anyone posting in this thread is in the same physical shape as a Recon Ranger. Buying a gun will not make up for the lack of skill.
It's really simple, I can start off with 9 shots in the Maverick 88. While I am moving to the next target I reload. I don't wait until the gun is empty. Since my Maverick with fire both 2 3/4" and 3" shells with out a hitch I can get an extra shot in the magazine.
The Saiga is super versatile. If you try to practice with target loads all you get is jam clearing practice. The ghost rings make it super easy to acquire moving targets. Yah, right!
One last point, the AK platform is designed to fire a 7.62x39 cartridge. Not a shotgun shell. I don't buy Mossberg rifles and I don't buy Kalashnikov shotguns. Both build an excellent product, Mossberg, the 500, Kalashnikov, the AK-47. I buy what a gun maker builds best.