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Old 10-25-2009, 07:54 PM   #1
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Default New Mossberg 500, 410 Bore and 1st test

I have finally gotten a chance to fire a few rounds from my new Mossberg 500 Pump Shotgun in 410 bore. I think it is a keeper. Since I have a few close neighbors (rural property), I don't want to overdo gunfire here. But we all pop off a few rounds out here in the sticks from time to time. I was anxious to see what Home Defence rounds and patterns were with the gun. So I test fired a Federal 1/4 oz Slug at a milk jug sitting in front of a dirt berm. Also fired a 000 buck (3-ball) round too. I measured off the distance at 50 yards.

Since I was unsure of the drop, I held the sights just above the top of the jug. The slug hit at point of aim, just clearing the top of the jug. Next I fired a 000 Buckshot 3-Baller (2 1/2 inch shell) and held sight dead center of jug. I could see that the jug was hit as water splattered upwards. Closer inspection showed a single ball hit left center and split off the left side of the jug. Then there was one hit in the dirt about 8 inches right of jug center and another hit in the dirt about 13 inches left of jug center. This is with a Bead sight and the little midpost alignment sight on the gun.

Whenever I can get out to an open field, I might be able to do a better target test.

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Old 10-28-2009, 08:46 PM   #2
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Default Another Busted Milk Jug

I had another empty milk jug on hand, so I decided to give the new 410 shotgun another slug test. This time I measured off 40 yards for the test. Seems a lot of info that I have turned up on Slugs and Buckshot effectiveness show that many claim 40 yards is about maximum consistant range. So this shot was made at 40 yards. I 'Splodded' the milkjug with 1st shot.

So I'm pretty happy with the slug results. I had been looking at buying a lever action in 357 Mag for rural home and barn defence. But now, I might reconsider. The 410 pump will hold 6 rounds, and deliver 357 mag energy out to about 50 yards or so. Maybe there is no need to spend the $500 on a new 357 rifle.

(added Info thru Edit) Just dug out the expanded slug from the dirt berm. The diameter of the 1/4 oz 410 slug had mushrooned to 0.75 inch. I think it did most of the expansion inside the water filled milk jug, as it had lodged only 5 inches deep into the wet dirt. This light weight slug may be ok for broadside heart/lung shot, but may lack penetration for quartering shots. I'm speaking here of 4-legged critters, pigs, coyotes, etc. IMHO

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Wow, if you can hit a jug at 50 yards with buckshot of any size from a 410, or any other gauge for that matter, that's pretty gd impressive. Or pretty gd lucky (no offense intended).

Keep up the good work.

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Default Info on other 410 tests and comparisons

I found some interesting info on a google search. An article from a sporting magazine. Seems the author was trying to answer the question of whether shooting slugs or buckshot from the little 410 was worth considering. The tests they ran are documented and pretty interesting as far as accuracy goes. Most of the slugs they tried shot within about a 2 inch to 6 inch pattern at 50 yards bench rest and good sights. Also, a test comparison between 410 buckshot and 12 ga buckshot showed almost identical penetration into pine boards. Only the 410 has lots fewer pellets. The writer did say the accuracy of the little 3 baller buckshot shell surprised him. Said the shot stayed close to center of aim, while 12 ga shot spread out.

Here is the link to article > The .410 slug capable or comical?
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The .410 slug capable or comical? | Guns Magazine | Find Articles at BNET

Note: The writer goes on to say many who use the 410 with slugs use it as a rifle with accurately aimed shots.

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I've been eyeing that very gun just to play with but haven't been able to pick it up yet. Glad to hear it's working well for you!

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Default Some additional info on 410 Slugs

I have enjoyed doing a bit of Googling on 410 stuff after I bought my new 410 pump shotgun. I have a new link to another 410 slug test. Seems other people also have found the 410 slug accuracy to be within 3 inches at around 50 yards. And also I read of a test done with 410 triple ought buck (3 balls) and their experience also showed that the 3 inline balls hit close together near point of aim.

Link here > 410 shotguns | 410 shot gun ammo | smallbore shotgun info - 410 Ammo

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Federal Slug Review
So I bought a box of Federal 2.5" slugs for my shotgun just to give them a try. It is always better to try different slugs in your shotgun so that you can find which brand flies true. These slugs are 1/4 ounce 109 grain rifled slugs that can be purchased in boxes of 15 rounds for $11.00 at most sporting goods stores - or Buy Federal Ammo HERE
I loaded all of my gear: Shotgun, range box, target boards and some paper targets and headed for the range. When we arrived I set up shop and the boys placed our target boards at 20 yards for starters. According to the "Remington" specs on these slugs, they would be traveling 1500fps and have 500+ foot pounds of humph at this range. I always shoot a couple rounds first at these ranges to check the "Mushroom" of a round. The groups at this short distance were funny. Two within a dimes distance and a flier, two spot on and a flier. The deformation of these rounds is great, the 109 grain slug really flattens out well to the size of a penny. As we stretched out the distance to 50 yards things were promising. Even at this distance the Federal rounds held up well. Shot groups were tolerable, within 3", and still two spot on and a flier.

(Photo of flattened slug)

Now we all know that the chances of rounds being deformed to the point of creating such strange shot groups is near to impossible. Therefore we concluded human error and decided to take it slow and easy, with "Sniper like" posture, breathing, trigger squeeze, etc. And what do you suppose happened? Two tight rounds, could cover with a nickel, and one flier an inch away. Oh well, I never was a Carlos Hathcock with a rifle anyway.

In all sincerity guys, the Remington Slugs are a great deal for the price. I will be using them in my .410 Marlin Lever-Action soon and will post pics too. For the price you cannot beat them and for accuracy they will need you to test them in your gun. For all the data, CLICK HERE and you can read the specifics

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Oldyeager, do you share my thoughts that the 410 his a highly underrated shotgun? Not saying I want a Judge for self defense but the 410 can what a lot of people think it can't. Same goes for a 22 magnum in mind.

You by chance aren't a jagermeister fan are you?

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Hi SpittinFire ................. OldYeager here.

Yes, I kinda think a lot of folks hear the 'old wives tales' about the 410 shotgun and dismiss the gun out of hand. I got a 410 singleshot when I was 13 and I kept that gun until this year. I gave it to my daughter and son-in-law for their home protection. I then right away missed that old gun so much that I just had to go buy another 410. So have just brought home a Mossberg 500 in 410 pump. And have been putting a few rounds thru it to see what it will do.

You are right, that caliber gun is just plain fun to shoot. Some guns are like that. And, I have owned 12 Ga shotguns too, first one was a bolt action that I had back in the late 1950s. Next was a Mossberg 500 in 12 Ga. I bought a short Slugster barrel for it and used it for home defence for years. A few years ago I gave that on to my son who lives in Iowa. He is the deer hunter of the family. Anyways, I kept the 410 due to fondness for shooting it. Had to replace it when I gave it away.

I have been researching many 410 shotgun threads in different forums and have noticed a definate bias against using the 410 for home defence. Personally, I don't have a bit of problem with it along those lines.

On Yagermeister schnaps, yea, some good stuff. Also when I was stationed in Germany (Mid 1950s), I tried lots of the local stuff.

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I have been researching many 410 shotgun threads in different forums and have noticed a definate bias against using the 410 for home defence. Personally, I don't have a bit of problem with it along those lines.
OldYeager,

Thank you very much for your informative post on the Mossberg .410!

I am a novice when it comes to guns, and I am just in the process of preparing to take some NRA training classes and purchase my first gun for home defense. I have seriously been considering the Mossberg .410 bore; one of the key criteria was for my (petite) wife to be able to handle the weapon comfortably if need be. I know that there are women of all sizes out there who learn to handle 12 and 20 gauge shotguns just fine, but I also must be realistic: we will try to get in as much practice as we can, but the time we will be able to devote to training with any weapon will be somewhat limited. Therefore, right off the bat the lower recoil of the .410 appealed to me.

Truth be told, as a novice gun user myself (having only shot 22s before) I was also concerned about the recoil/sound/flash disorientation that might result (even on me, let alone my wife) from having to fire a 12 (or even 20) gauge shotgun indoors, in the dark or low light conditions, under stress in a home invasion situation.

From what I've read, the .410 seems to get dismissed almost out-of-hand as a viable defensive shotgun. For example, while I very much enjoyed this podcast from ProArms discussing shotguns for home defense, it really dismissed the .410 without much discussion:

ProArms Blog Archive 017A Homing in on the Defensive Shotgun

I wonder how much of that is due to not considering slugs or 000 buckshot loads available. It seems to me that 000 buckshot from a .410 shotgun, such as either one of these two types of ammunition ...

Shotshell

Shotshell

... would be pretty good in a home defense situation. Your testing seems to bear this out -- although 40 yards is much longer than I'd anticipate ever needing to use my home defense shotgun (I'm thinking more along the lines of 20 feet max distance). I appreciate your reporting on it, because information about a serious buckshot or slug load from a .410 seems hard to come by.

I'd be curious as to your thoughts on whether there is substantially less potentially recoil/flash/sound disorientation from the .410 loaded with 000 (either 2.5 or 3 inch) as compared to the 12 and 20 gauge shotguns loaded with 00.

I'm probably going to be picking up the Mossberg .410 pump in the near future, so I really appreciate you having shared your review. Thanks again!
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