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Old 05-23-2013, 12:39 AM   #31
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Dunno about Benelli, but have to ask...Which Winchester? The real one, the USRAC one (which I have) or is there a new FN Winchester?
I'm talking about the real Winchester....the 1200, 120, and 1300
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What difference does it make? The real Winchester went out of business a long time ago. Now they just pass the name around from marketing firm to marketing firm. YOU can lease it and slap it on pretty much whatever you want. Look arounf the sporting-goods dept. and Walmart!!!

Truth is there are no Winchester designers any more. No Winchester plant, property, or equipment. No skilled Winchester labor. No Winchester management. It's all gone. Good luck with buying that recommendation...
Who said anything about buying a new one I was referring to the older 1200,120, and 1300 which are 10x the gun any 500 is or was
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Sorry, what was? Where are they? What happened to them!? LOL
Remington and the 870 are next...

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What difference does it make? The real Winchester went out of business a long time ago. Now they just pass the name around from marketing firm to marketing firm. YOU can lease it and slap it on pretty much whatever you want. Look arounf the sporting-goods dept. and Walmart!!!

Truth is there are no Winchester designers any more. No Winchester plant, property, or equipment. No skilled Winchester labor. No Winchester management. It's all gone. Good luck with buying that recommendation...
Thats true...the Winchester brand has been farmed out like an old truck stop ho..Put on cheap chinese knives/lawn chairs/tooth brushes/etc
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And the verdict is.......


I used a screw that was just a bit too long. Ripped trough all my gear, found a smaller one and it performs a proper functions check... There is thunder and lightning right now. Perfect opportunity to try it out jk

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Excellent BigRed. Glad I could help. What did the aftermarket screw rip through tho?

Can we make sure you didn't damage anything important!? I'd hate to see you find you impacted otherwise absolute reliabilty ('cept for the resin safety switch). We have all the whining-out-of-the-box 870 Express owners we can deal with until Remington goes at least Chapter 11...

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http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/receiver-action-parts/safety-parts/safeties/mossberg-500-safety-button-prod9476.aspx

Get a metal safety if it bothers ya...Numrich sells Mossberg safety parts by the bag, that's the route we took.
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Excellent BigRed. Glad I could help. What did the aftermarket screw rip through tho?

Can we make sure you didn't damage anything important!? I'd hate to see you find you impacted otherwise absolute reliabilty ('cept for the resin safety switch). We have all the whining-out-of-the-box 870 Express owners we can deal with until Remington goes at least Chapter 11...
Hey Hocka. Would you please post some links to some actual evidence of how and why the 870s suck more than, in your opinion, any other brand. After all, this was a thread about a Mossberg problem, (which I do give you props for helping the OP find the problem and solve it) and you were the first to bring Remington into it. Every brand out there sucks in someones opinion, even your ever precious Mossberg, but all I have found so far is forum posts about problems with every brand and model that I have plugged into Google, with the exception of the 495 series from Mossberg. I want proof.

Edit: Wrong about the 496, it was the 695. Recall was due to the shotgun firing upon bolt closure. Scary thought to say the least.
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Kfox, I am not a Mossberg salesperson. But I am a shotgunner, can read, observe, intuit, reason, and even count past my 10 clean fingers. Unlike our trolls.

My point was we all spend enough time answering posts from guys with 870 Express problems. OK, let's agree on a generic 870 response to all 870-problem posts: "empty the magazine if you can but watch your fingers, be careful slamming the gun butt-down onto concrete by the forearm, sell the cleared gun to the next dupe, consider yourself lucky you didn't have to rely on it, and now buy something better for less money."

Do we have common ground now?

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I normally avoid brand vs. brand warfare (though I do laugh at it but the OP had a legitimate issue with a firearm that hocka helped diagnose. It was a user errror...not a function/brand error. I get that your comments extend far beyond this thread...but give the OP a break from it...the firearm may not be fixed yet!

We could all find issues stated online with every gun..every caliber... It comes down to personal preference. It does seem that conventional wisdom says that Remington is not what they used to be..but then again..most things are not. We live in a consumable society and the only way to guarantee quality craftsmanship with anything is to buy it custom...imo

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