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Old 08-22-2013, 05:27 PM   #11
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Does everybody believe that American gun companies "sold out" and started manufacturing out of the U.S. for fun?

They did it because of the American consumer!!! Yes, you. And you. And all of you.

No one looks at a Weatherby rifle on a sale rack in a store and says, "Wow, what great quality and craftsmanship! I want to invest in that to hand down to my children and their children." No, heaven forbid we pay for an American to have a job finishing that American Walnut stock. Nope, injection mold cheap plastic so we can knock $50 off of the rifle, otherwise the rifle won't compete in price at the store.

Which store? Well, since Americans don't want a Mom'n'Pop local gun store to sell that rifle for $20 more than a big box store, that big box store beats the manufacturer down on price again, forcing the manufacturer to look for cheaper materials or cheap labor. Why import Japanese steel to pay an American to work it? If the manufacturer has to keep cutting prices to get the Wal-Mart contract, then they can't pay union wages to assemble guns, but Mexico will provide cheap labor!

The American consumer has doomed American manufacturing. By not supporting American made products sold by American companies and making price, not quality or reliability the all-important decision-maker, Americans have forced manufacturers to comply to low prices, and consequently doing whatever it takes to lower those prices, to stay in the market. And No, Wal-Mart is NOT an American company. It's a Chinese outlet store. Wal-Mart suppliers have built an entirely new city in China that wasn't there two decades ago just so they could satisfy Wal-Mart's constant demand to lower prices. Ex-American factories loaded with Chinese workers stamp out the cheapest crap possible to fill Wal-Mart shelves so American consumers can fill their carts.

So No, there is no American-made anything left. It's gone, along with quality, reliability and pride.

And we did it. We voted the American manufacturers out with our dollars, and our inability to understand that you get what you pay for. Now were getting to the point where even guns will be part of the Throw Away Society. We already have throw away cars.

Very well said Greg, I too am guilty of running the price gauntlet at Walmart but try my damndest to buy American where it counts. Viscous cycle we are in. Dollars getting weaker so we try to stretch them by going cheaper, few really realize we have stretched them so far there in foreign banks now.
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This is why when i built my ar i looked into every one before buying parts. I can now say that at least one gun i own is made by americans for americans. Oh and stag arms, thanx for the tour and im sorry ct sucks. Its a shame to see you guys leave. Love your g3 upper!!!

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What about Ruger?

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Well I went to one of my local mom and pop places and they had a Mossberg 935 in what looked to be waterfowl camo. The gun said made in U.S.A on the receiver. But didn't someone here say that their parts are made in mexico? But that was my only find for the day. I plan on going to gander mtn. and another mom and pop place later in the week to see what else I can find.

The American worker is an endangered species, I always buy American guns unless they are military surplus or a gift. I only have a couple that are not made here, and I thought that firearms would be one thing we in America can rely on to be made here. TekGreg was on the money when saying most of what he said. But I believe there is still hope for the firearm industry. There are still a ton of companies working here (especially in the AR field) and we need to support them. I live in Ohio and Ohio is a farming and manufacturing state. We rely on tractors and making car parts, yet many factories are now gone and everyone works retail. So sad, but I believe we can turn it around.

For example even if you have to save up to buy your next pair of work boots buy American. I would rather wear my old boots and jeans for a month or two longer than buy cheap junk. I save and save so I can support an American family putting food on their table. Actually I just found a place that sells 100% made in America jeans and clothes, funny thing is the jeans are a few bucks cheaper than levis!! So spend a little time looking and buy American! I know sometimes you can't but anytime you can do so! I would rather feed an American family buy paying more than saving and letting that money keep a sweat shop open!

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[QUOTE=TekGreg; We already have throw away cars.[/QUOTE]

Gotta disagree about cars Greg. Don't know if you're old enough to remember "planned obsolescence." From the 1950's thru early 70's the Big Three encouraged the purchase of a new car every two-four years. They did this by building cars that wouldn't last much longer than four years before major problems/costs were incurred. Much as old farts like me wax lyrical about '57 Chevys and '65 GTO's, they weren't very good cars. 100,000 miles was unheard of. These days, we think nothing of running a car/truck 100,000/150,000 miles, piling the kids in it and heading for Disney World. I agree with most of what you said, but cars/trucks? They're ALOT better these days.

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Does everybody believe that American gun companies "sold out" and started manufacturing out of the U.S. for fun?

They did it because of the American consumer!!! Yes, you. And you. And all of you.

No one looks at a Weatherby rifle on a sale rack in a store and says, "Wow, what great quality and craftsmanship! I want to invest in that to hand down to my children and their children." No, heaven forbid we pay for an American to have a job finishing that American Walnut stock. Nope, injection mold cheap plastic so we can knock $50 off of the rifle, otherwise the rifle won't compete in price at the store.

Which store? Well, since Americans don't want a Mom'n'Pop local gun store to sell that rifle for $20 more than a big box store, that big box store beats the manufacturer down on price again, forcing the manufacturer to look for cheaper materials or cheap labor. Why import Japanese steel to pay an American to work it? If the manufacturer has to keep cutting prices to get the Wal-Mart contract, then they can't pay union wages to assemble guns, but Mexico will provide cheap labor!

The American consumer has doomed American manufacturing. By not supporting American made products sold by American companies and making price, not quality or reliability the all-important decision-maker, Americans have forced manufacturers to comply to low prices, and consequently doing whatever it takes to lower those prices, to stay in the market. And No, Wal-Mart is NOT an American company. It's a Chinese outlet store. Wal-Mart suppliers have built an entirely new city in China that wasn't there two decades ago just so they could satisfy Wal-Mart's constant demand to lower prices. Ex-American factories loaded with Chinese workers stamp out the cheapest crap possible to fill Wal-Mart shelves so American consumers can fill their carts.

So No, there is no American-made anything left. It's gone, along with quality, reliability and pride.

And we did it. We voted the American manufacturers out with our dollars, and our inability to understand that you get what you pay for. Now were getting to the point where even guns will be part of the Throw Away Society. We already have throw away cars.
I don't agree.

Part of being american is wanting the best quality at the cheapest price. All the old big gun makers are in forced union states. When your company unionizes in today's world the company has two choices... either move operations to a more worker friendly state that has right to work or move to a country like china that actually supports capitalism to a greater extent than we do.

Some companies like colt and berreta can cling to life a little longer due to fat gvt contracts but companies like remington and weatherby move, produce really crappy stuff or shut the door and foldup.

Its not the consumer driving the problem its the unions. Look at ruger american company producing quality stuff very wellpaid workers products in high demand for a fair price no union.

There is a reason colt is starting to shift production to florida and it ain't for the weather.
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Jon's right also, unions are obsolete, parasitic, company killers.
Right to work levels the field somewhat but states that are union run are also the same ones being run into the ground. Unions force companies into paying labor way out of line to stay competitive in their markets so guess what?.....
**** runs downhill and cost goes up.
Look at the auto industry, forget the wages exactly but the big three are paying up to triple what it cost Toyota per employee. Hell even a tick knows not to kill the dog its feeding on. Unions are the tail wagging the dog. So yes Jon made a very valid point.

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Im Norwegian, but i think i got this right: Ruger, S&W, ithaca, mossberg, remington, Henry, Colt AND Thomson are still being made in America, arent they? Ive bought only american guns except for a Benelli Nova. And really, i like the americans better!

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The Mossberg 930 line is all American. Browning and Winchester are part of FN Herstal in Belgium so chances are few of those made in the US, the Winchester SXP is possibly even made by Hatsan in Turkey. The Browning Maxus and Winchester SX3 are definitely from FN in Belgium, at least all the ones coming into the British Isles are.

But you'll know things are really bad when all your classical American named guns start arriving with 'Made in the PRC' plastered all over them.

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The only Mossberg guns that are not made I the U.S. are in the international line. If it doesn't say "Mossberg International" on the box it was made, and assembled, in the U.S.

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