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Old 02-26-2013, 02:57 PM   #11
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High velocity 3" BB 12ga is unbelievably underrated for home defence. Any larger shot & you get less shot per shell (resulting in less concentrated spread & rounds on target) any smaller shot may result in under penetration & less killing capability. I also suggest 00bk for home defence however past med distance even mag loads are unreliable at best. Military testing has shown that you need 3 of the 00bk pellets in center mass to cause effective damage for the guaranteed kill. Also look into Winchester pdx1-12 home defence ammo. Three 00bk pellets in front of a 1oz hollow point rifled slug, they also offer fragmenting slug variety.
+1 on those pdx1 rounds
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:56 AM   #12
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+1 on those pdx1 rounds
Lol they're very nice. A chest size spread out of an 18" barrel all the wise out to 15 yards. The best of both worlds. Slug plus 00bk
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Thanks guys for all the info....I'm really liking those Winchester PDX-1 shells....right now I've got #4 buckshot for the time being until I can find some PDX-1's....thanks again guys!!!! Feel free to post pics of your 870's. I'm gonna trick mine out with a Black Aces quad rail system for starters

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I prefer the 15 pellet 3" Winchester Super X buckshot. People complain about the recoil from the full house load but when I am shooting a deer I feel no recoil. There is no way recoil is going to be an issue when someone is trying to take my life.

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In and around the house #2 Shot MINIMUM, and otherwise anything up to #0 Buckshot.

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...Military testing has shown that you need 3 of the 00bk pellets in center mass to cause effective damage for the guaranteed kill...
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Bullet9992, I agree about the smaller shot size like BB in and around the house, but you left out a critical bit of information re: the above quote -- range. That statistic for three impacts is for a distance of 35 meters!
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Bullet9992, I agree about the smaller shot size like BB in and around the house, but you left out a critical bit of information re: the above quote -- range. That statistic for three impacts is for a distance of 35 meters!
Lol sorry i forgot about that. But the 3 00bk to center mass still stands as the standard for the kill shot. But yes, larger sized pellets are more prone to separation at distance & thy have less pellets per shell. But if you can contact with larger pellets they do more damage. It depends on situation, target, & distance. That's why there are so many different shell offerings
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Lol sorry i forgot about that. But the 3 00bk to center mass still stands as the standard for the kill shot. But yes, larger sized pellets are more prone to separation at distance & thy have less pellets per shell. But if you can contact with larger pellets they do more damage. It depends on situation, target, & distance. That's why there are so many different shell offerings
Those are largely energy/CNS-based calcs. At the same distance it would take about 9 #4 Buckshot hits to kill. Of course they are both about 1/3rd of the standard load and equally likely...
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