Originally Posted by beckstactical
I just took over as my police agencies armorer and found something in our armory that I need help with. I do not need the fact that it is not legal to own and so forth just help with ID. I have researched a few findings about the only company name Deeley & Edge located on the shotgun. I believe it to be 10gauge.
Now for the visible markings.
On both sides of the action just below the breach it has W.B. DANBY.( Internet search, resulted in a hunter from the early 20th century)
On the top rib between the barrels is THE SPECIAL CLUB GUN. No findings via internet on this.
Next is the forearm release latch. One side PATENT, the other DEELEY & EDGE.
Finally several markings on the underside of the barrels. Both barrels marked with some type of proofing (crossed arms type) and 12. Then on one barrel,
11B NOT FOR BALL. Last is a set of numbers between, 8105, possible serial.
This shotgun was in a box way in the back it appears someone did not care for the beauty. The barrels were cut off and the stock is broke. Any help would be much appreciated.
I realize this is an old thread but I will help clear the ID confusion.
It is a British made 12 gauge
shotgun made between 1872 and 1887. It was marketed by WB Danby a small "sporting supplier" in the Birmingham, England area. The Deeley & Edge patent is in reference to the forend latch invented by John Deeley and Mr. Edge both of whom worked for Westley Richards. Deeley had many patents and worked for the Westley Richards firm for many years. The gun was probably made by WR or possibly W. Scott the 2 largest makers and suppliers of guns to the English trade. It was proofed at the Birmingham proof house prior to 1888(black powder proof). The "not for ball" marking was not used after 1887. This mark indicated the left barrel was choke bored and had a nominal bore diameter of 11 ga and a muzzle/ choke constriction of 12 bore. The right barrel is marked "12" This is the nominal bore diameter of that barrel, no choke. the left barrel was made as a 12 bore then "back-bored" to 11 bore dimensions and the reamer stopped short of the muzzle leaving a 12 bore muzzle diameter =choke bored. Not for ball meant, do not shoot solid projectile. After 1888 if the choke was more than .008", it must be marked "Choke" or Choke Bored" Marking was voluntary if the choke was less than .008".
The Deeley and Edge patent forend latch (not the action) was an 1872 English patent and a US patent was granted in 1873. John Deeley and Wm Anson's patent of 1875 for the box lock hammerless gun that is still in use today by most gun makers of box lock actions. Westley Richards sold these actions to the trade and collected patent royalties on the action and forend latch for quite a few years) The number on the barrel is not a serial number but the proof house record # for the barrels. The "Special Gun Club" reference, is the grade of gun, if you will. Less expensive trade guns were often marketed with names such as this. It is not
Remington. Since it bears no American importer or marks this was most probably brought over by an immigrant or visiting sportsman. I hope this clears things up and informs. Probably more than you ever wanted to know....