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Old 02-26-2011, 10:33 PM   #1
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Default Help - can you help identify?

Need help identifying this small smoothbore shotgun. Single Shot. Breech load. Belgian Proof Marks. No Name. Barrel folds to Butstock. Near as I can tell the muzzle bore is about .40



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Old 02-26-2011, 11:52 PM   #2
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It's interesting. Can you get some close up photos of the various rollmarks and anything else that may help identify it?



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Default Proof Marks on Barrel

These are the markings found on either side of the barrel close to the breech end.

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Thanks, those will help. Now we need an expert to show up.

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"Liege" is arguably the most noted Belgian manufacturer.

Apparently, this style was favored by poachers, as it was concealable, and Liege manufactured this style.

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As mentioned, these were frequently called "poacher's guns"- they would fold enough to fit under a cloak, down pants leg, etc. The stock is known as a skeleton stock- and yes, that should be a .410- but likely a TWO INCH .410, and possibly a black powder 410. The city of Liege was a hotbed of small cottage gunmakers, as well as the national proofhouse of Belgium. I don't have a maker's name for you, but did run across a sister gun, sidexside .folding .410, skeleton stock, priced at 575 L Sterling (minty condition)

B.E. Chaplin - Gun Makers Shop - Gun Repairs - Game Shooting - Gun Alterations - English Shotguns
Scroll down about 1/3 of the page.

A possible (shot in the dark) maker would be A. Francotte. The side lever was characteristic of their actions, and IIRC, they were in Liege.

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Default Interesting............ a poaching gun

The gun displayed on the link to B.E. Chaplin is very similar

THanks for the input!

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It's proofed for black powder so do not use smokeless in it.

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Leige is a city in Belgium, not a maker.

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it's a very nice looking gun, just thinking about it they make survival guns like that now. Kind cool that they had pretty much the same idea way back then.



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