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Old 04-25-2013, 12:09 AM   #1
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Remington 870, Winchester sxp black shadow, stoeger condor or uplander. I can't decide.

Hunting, recreational shooting, laser boresighter to mess with the neighbor's cat. Etc.

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Old 04-25-2013, 12:25 AM   #2
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My first 12 was the condor, have many others now but the condor is still in my hands the most. I recommend the condor!

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Out of those guns definitely the Winchester sxp I like stoegers but I wouldn't get an over and under or side by side for a first shotgun

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Either of the pumps. They will outlive either Stoeger.

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I won't ever buy a side-by-side, harder to aim and awkward feeling. But I'll always have an over and under

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Either of the pumps. They will outlive either Stoeger.
I find it hard to believe that all the moving and rubbing parts in a pump will outlast the simplicity of an over and under
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I wasn't talking about a Krieghoff, a Browning, or a Beretta, I was talking about the Stoeger. The SxSs, the simple ones with extractors and two triggers are fasirly popular with the Cowboy set, who are VERY hard on guns in my opinion, because they are pretty tough. The single trigger models have had tons of problems. The Stoeger O/Us are have also proven problem prone. Yes I know some people have one and think they are great, but they usually haven't shot them a lot. Lots of pumps have gone well over 100,000 rounds. The loadings on a pump's parts just from working the action are not great, and steel is tough. If it wasn't wheel bearings wouldn't go 200,000 miles.The hinge points are not usually what goes first on a two barrel gun. It's those small internal parts.

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I wasn't talking about a Krieghoff, a Browning, or a Beretta, I was talking about the Stoeger. The SxSs, the simple ones with extractors and two triggers are fasirly popular with the Cowboy set, who are VERY hard on guns in my opinion, because they are pretty tough. The single trigger models have had tons of problems. The Stoeger O/Us are have also proven problem prone. Yes I know some people have one and think they are great, but they usually haven't shot them a lot. Lots of pumps have gone well over 100,000 rounds. The loadings on a pump's parts just from working the action are not great, and steel is tough. If it wasn't wheel bearings wouldn't go 200,000 miles.The hinge points are not usually what goes first on a two barrel gun. It's those small internal parts.
Yea but for the price of those krieghoffs a man could but a lot of stoegers or Hell even quite a few Browning and berettas lol
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Although I'm no fanboy(had one, sold it, shoulda kept it) I'd choose the 870. There are more after market parts for the 870 than almost any other firearm made.

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Remington 870 is battle tested. Also has a huge aftermarket, is not picky on ammo, & great to shoot. 9/10 pump action 12ga shot guns all do the same things & feel similar. It all boils down to track record for me.

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