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Old 05-30-2009, 07:55 PM   #11
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Flechettes are downright nasty. USAF used them in SUU 30 munitions in SE Asia. They just turn flesh into hamburger and just waste any other soft target. They are just made for killin'.....................markerdown

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there is a company that sells them, I don't remember their name but they sell all kinds of crazy loads foe shotgun. they sell shells loaded with buck shot and slugs, stuff like that. whay don't ask me. butnow that you mention that whole D.A. thing, I aint gonna fart around and get messed up in some legal crap.

after looking at the post you guys put up, I wouldn't want to just wound some one with those things. when I shot at the hodgee's in fallujah, and elsewhere in iraq, I shot to kill, not wound, that same goes for my defense back here in the states. my uncle will just have to live with the fact that I won't load them for him, if he doesn't like it he can either find someone else to do it, or start reloading himself. I don't want to be responsible for giving the gun grabbers any more fodder that they can misconstrue...

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Do I want to be in front of a jury while a lawyer accuses me of loading special shotgun shells INTENDED to literally NAIL a man to the wall? Hmmmm.... lemme get back to you on that...

FWIW, we used flechettes in the 90mm recoiless rifle, the 2.75 inch aerial rockets, and the 105mm howitzer. Yeah, when you hum 26 pounds of them out there, they are really impressive at breaking up human wave attacks. Say- does that shotshell hold 26 pounds? Oh.

ALCAN did some special 12 g flechette loads used by aircraft guards- since the light steel arrow did not have the mass to badly mess up the aircraft. (Shoot an infiltrator with an M-14, punch holes in 3 airplanes at same time)

IMHO, if I am sitting of front of a jury looking at the color photos of Mr. Bad Guy soaking into the walls and ceiling of Casa C3, I want to be able to say that in utter desperation to preserve the lives of family and self, I was forced to grab my deer gun or bird gun (which, BTW, does NOT look like it belongs to Arnold)

Trust me- at 20 ft, buckshot against an unarmored target is effective and devastating.

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whooo boy, the old uncle wasn't to happy yohave been told he would have to load them himself! but hey, it is what it is. I showed him the link that was posted earlier, but he was being hard headed. southerners.... can be some of the most stubborn people!

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If these loads are for sd or hd, I'd talk about stopping power. A flaschette load may tear up an intruder, but the buckshot will drop one. It is about lethality and force of punch. When I say lethality, I mean dead now; not dead later after they can make a statement to the police. Dead intruders tell no tales. Even if they are for hunting-same deal...dead now and humanely killed.

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Do I want to be in front of a jury while a lawyer accuses me of loading special shotgun shells INTENDED to literally NAIL a man to the wall? Hmmmm.... lemme get back to you on that...

FWIW, we used flechettes in the 90mm recoiless rifle, the 2.75 inch aerial rockets, and the 105mm howitzer. Yeah, when you hum 26 pounds of them out there, they are really impressive at breaking up human wave attacks. Say- does that shotshell hold 26 pounds? Oh.

ALCAN did some special 12 g flechette loads used by aircraft guards- since the light steel arrow did not have the mass to badly mess up the aircraft. (Shoot an infiltrator with an M-14, punch holes in 3 airplanes at same time)

IMHO, if I am sitting of front of a jury looking at the color photos of Mr. Bad Guy soaking into the walls and ceiling of Casa C3, I want to be able to say that in utter desperation to preserve the lives of family and self, I was forced to grab my deer gun or bird gun (which, BTW, does NOT look like it belongs to Arnold)

Trust me- at 20 ft, buckshot against an unarmored target is effective and devastating.
Yup. flechettes belong in artillery rounds and aerial munitions. They where designed to be indiscriminate hole pokers for "confirmed" target rich environments. That's why you hurl a few hundred pounds of them at a time into an area target. Not so good for use against specific man sized targets from a shot gun.
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Tell me about it. Try being a vegetarian in southern MS.
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Flechette rounds are illegal in some states also. Buckshot is still legal in all 50.

Rock salt is money though.

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