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Old 11-27-2013, 01:23 PM   #41
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i get a kick out of how choke mfg'rs hawk their wares. all a choke is is math. a retriction is a retriction.
but yes sir...this one is this, and that one is that. bottom line, they all require you to change them and they screw in.

the term quality come from one thing....is it concentric.

ive found so many chokes off that it upsets me that mfg'rs have the gaul to claim to have a quality product. and even worse is a gun co. that cant install threads concetric to a bbl.

polychoke and comps got a bad rap back in the day because gun hacks didnt know how to braze and would misalign them to a bbl. great product, poor labor.

sound familiar in todays world?

id rather own and shoot the cheapest choke made if it was installed by a competant smith and if it was concentric.

maybe this is why i STILL SHOOT factory fixed chokes. the generation that saved the world knew what they were doing. i dont own one screw in gun in my entire inventory.

way too much focus is on chokes. its the new rage to play the 5 choke change per game game.
gun cases today look like a lathe tool box where shooters rely on chokes to get them out of poor shooting ability.

people cant make split decisions anymore involving time, distances, and one choke. as any good shooter knows, 1 second either way changes a choke one size up or down.
ive actually had ignorant shooters accuse me of being off my game because all my targets didnt poof. in todays world, if it doesnt dematerialize, your not on your game.
id take 100 chips instead of 99 poofs my friends.....anyday.

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i get a kick out of how choke mfg'rs hawk their wares. all a choke is is math. a retriction is a retriction.
but yes sir...this one is this, and that one is that. bottom line, they all require you to change them and they screw in.

the term quality come from one thing....is it concentric.

ive found so many chokes off that it upsets me that mfg'rs have the gaul to claim to have a quality product. and even worse is a gun co. that cant install threads concetric to a bbl.

polychoke and comps got a bad rap back in the day because gun hacks didnt know how to braze and would misalign them to a bbl. great product, poor labor.

sound familiar in todays world?

id rather own and shoot the cheapest choke made if it was installed by a competant smith and if it was concentric.

maybe this is why i STILL SHOOT factory fixed chokes. the generation that saved the world knew what they were doing. i dont own one screw in gun in my entire inventory.

way too much focus is on chokes. its the new rage to play the 5 choke change per game game.
gun cases today look like a lathe tool box where shooters rely on chokes to get them out of poor shooting ability.

people cant make split decisions anymore involving time, distances, and one choke. as any good shooter knows, 1 second either way changes a choke one size up or down.
ive actually had ignorant shooters accuse me of being off my game because all my targets didnt poof. in todays world, if it doesnt dematerialize, your not on your game.
id take 100 chips instead of 99 poofs my friends.....anyday.

You're right to a point, but most pattern differently...It is a combination of many factors..the gun, the ammo, the chokes, the conditions you're shooting in, and the shooter them-self, of course.

I know my Muller U2s patterned much better at 40 yards than my factory Zoli chokes...plus they are super light-weight, durable, and don't need to be cleaned often at all...and when I do, the grime comes off much easier.
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tell us...how can the action of a gun effect choke pattern?
also too.....how does 'conditions' effect a choke?
curious.
granted....ammo effects pattern. but .005 is .005 no matter what gun bore its in.
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This gun should make shooting clays a little easier. Early pigeon grade Browning BT99 with 32" barrel modified choke.




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tell us...how can the action of a gun effect choke pattern?
also too.....how does 'conditions' effect a choke?
curious.
granted....ammo effects pattern. but .005 is .005 no matter what gun bore its in.
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II didn't mean that those facts affect the choke itself, I meant that they affect patterning, and not necessarily the action of the gun, just the gun itself. Tolerances and build quality mostly. Something like an O/Us barrels not being positioned well and one shooting farther to the left and the other off to the right.
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Real men use a pump action

I use the Remington Model 870 with a 26" Skeet Vent Rib Barrel - 2nd from top.

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Real men use a pump action

I use the Remington Model 870 with a 26" Skeet Vent Rib Barrel - 2nd from top.

I agree and I use a pump also that's a 114 year old Winchester model '97 riot with 20" barrel cyl choke. Man, they really knew how to build them back then.

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I agree and I use a pump also that's a 114 year old Winchester model '97 riot with 20" barrel cyl choke. Man, they really knew how to build them back then.

Man am I jealous...I love those old guns!

The oldest one I have is my Great Grandpa's 1932 Browning Citori Grade II...Sweet pheasant shooter.
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Nice ammo carrier - where did you get it ? Hope it doesn't cost a fortune.
I watched a defensive shotgun video where a gent used a single shot w one of those carriers and he was surprisingly fast w it.

In addition, he could change out ammo selection for each shot.

In the pattern debate above: No one seemed to mention the effect of lengthening the forcing cone. Higher end Baretta's and Brownings all have this feature to some degree. I was debating whether or not to have this done on my 20 ga - 1187.

I certainly agree w Bobski on quality control - it's a crap shoot in today's market. I sent my Baretta back and they told me they could change it to hit where ever I wanted. I sent my Rhino choke back. The second one didn't group any better with Estate Super Sport Ammo. They told me to STOP shooting the cheap stuff. A specialist said it was like pouring leaded gas into a Porche.

In summary: Ammo & choke selection are important factors in patterning.

Note: I shot a round of clays w a very experienced shooter. He did not change chokes, he changed ammo. Example - if tgt was out farther, he would drop down in shot size and the larger shot carries farther w more inherent energy. While not an optimum solution, it does allow someone w a fixed choke to shoot tgts at varying distances.

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The shell holder is by Eagle and is somewhere around $30. The pouch is handy for additional ammo as well as an extra cigar and lighter. They come in very handy in the woods. The other side has a padded cheek rest as well.

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