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Old 04-18-2013, 01:50 AM   #21
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wrong perspective to have. my viewpoint is this, a BG breaks into my home, he's not there for tea and cookies. he's a threat to me andmy family. he knew exactly what he was doing when he broke into my home, to do serious bodily damage and to rob me of my possessions. therefor IMO, he deserves no chances whatsoever, as in none.

in my home, we play by house rules. my house, my rules. whatever allows me and my family to remain vertical and the BG to go out horizontal is what i will use.

now i see where you are want to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and that's greatly humane and very kind of you, but with a BG breaking into your home, that's not the time for niceness or humanity. and what if the BG is hopped up on drugs? well, you might not get the chance to see if your next round is going to stop him. you might be dead. if you have any reasoning power, you might give my suggestions some thought, because with your thinking as it is now, your own shotgun could be your worst enemy.

warning shots, shooting to wound or using less than lethal rounds is a recipe for disaster and IMO, you are ill prepared for using any firearm for SD. you minght give some serious thought to your choices.
In my area most of the breakins are kids being stupid. When i say kids i mean 13 to 17. If the kid has a gun or knife its a different story. But what if he dident? I live in ct and to stand my ground even knowing i had a way out of my house lands me in jail. No add killing an unarmed minor. I wont have to worry about pretecting my family ill be in jail for a long time. Every state and town is different with all different threats. Ive assesed my area and my home i know my weak points and my high ground.
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I am glad I don't have any friends that close.
Hes been my bestfriend since childhood and my shooting partner since i was 16. I trust my life to his as he does to me. The shots were taken for 10ft 15ft and 20ft. The first 2 round were the same day the one for 20ft was a month later. And trust me ive felt enough im never doing that again.
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In my area most of the breakins are kids being stupid. When i say kids i mean 13 to 17. If the kid has a gun or knife its a different story. But what if he dident? I live in ct and to stand my ground even knowing i had a way out of my house lands me in jail. No add killing an unarmed minor. I wont have to worry about pretecting my family ill be in jail for a long time. Every state and town is different with all different threats. Ive assesed my area and my home i know my weak points and my high ground.
i don't discriminate period. when a BG breaks into my home, i'm not checking for gender, their age or their skin color. all i see is a threat to me and my family.

you think a 13-17 year old kid can't or wont kill you? well you might be sadly mistaken and possibly dead for your thinking.

IMO, a person who has not given enough though to use deadly force if called upon with a SD firearm, has no business having a firearm for SD.
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i don't discriminate period. when a BG breaks into my home, i'm not checking for gender, their age or their skin color. all i see is a threat to me and my family.

you think a 13-17 year old kid can't or wont kill you? well you might be sadly mistaken and possibly dead for your thinking.

IMO, a person who has not given enough though to use deadly force if called upon with a SD firearm, has no business having a firearm for SD.
I have givin it thought. And when you have been put in the situation i was in 2 years ago then we can Talk.
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If you have a home defense situation, the best 12 gauge is the one below your falling hammer.

One needs to understand that anything short of vomiting or pissing your pants may save your life.

Liberals however, may prefer pissing their pants.

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I have givin it thought. And when you have been put in the situation i was in 2 years ago then we can Talk.
you seem to be making presumptions about me without knowing me. you don't know anything about me to make such judgements. please keep the subject at hand and stop making assumptions about others you don't know personally.
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Unless of course, you live in AZ. Fight starts in the house you can finish it in the street. Hot pursuit. God I love AZ!
InDefense, I don't see anybody even implying following anyone outside though. However, of course a rational person might expect to need to be armed outside their house. A studio apartment is at one end of the spectrum and a working ranch at the other -- yeah, I know you get it but I want to be clear for, well, y o u k n o w. It might be as reasonable to defend yourself outside, depending on your circumstances, as inside. That means range is a factor and different ammo would be suggested by the knowledgable, experienced, and more helpful here.

An example for the, well, y o u k n o w!? You hear a noise outside. Go out, armed with your shotgun, to investigate. Would-be arsonist caught in the act pouring gasoline on your house doesn't have to have struck the match or in fact commited arson to be shot and the shooter is specifically protected under the law to use deadly physical force in my state.

It is only in places like Washington, D.C., and Chicago where the myopic dicktitorial idiots thought people shouldn't go outside or even into their garage with a gun to protect themselves and others.
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Looking for input. What do you think is the best 11 gauge shotgun shell for home defense?
If you are not concerned with over penetration all of the BUCK SHOT loads are good. But if you live urban and are concerned about others in your home or neighbors BB shot is the ideal. DO NOT use any shot smaller than #2 bird shot for self defense!!!!
When you are deciding what shot size is best for any application you MUST consider the terminal ballistics of a SINGLE pellet. Shot which is small, bird shot, lacks the ability to achieve enough penetration to 'stop' a human target, especially if they are wearing heavy clothing.
This info comes from person experience while working as a cop and viewing numerous post mortem examinations, medical records. and from my own ballistic testing.
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whatever you happen to choose, test them out for yourself at the distances they would be used within the home. don't just buy something on the say so of us here on a forum and assume they will work. test them and practice with them. when a BG breaks into your home is not the time to find out if they work or if you were prepared for the recoil, or if they even feed reliabily in your shotgun. be prepared and practice.

i know what works in my shotguns and what works everytime i pull the trigger, because i have tested it and practiced with it. too many times people just buy a firearm and some ammo and then stick it in the corner and never try it out. sadly they may find out too late how that works out.
Love this response. Thanks for the insight. Worried about practicing too much. Ammo has been hard to locate in my area of southern Ohio.
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First round out is 9 pellet rubber buck shot. If they keep on pushing next
2 rounds are milspec 9 pellet 00 buck. And if the criminal wont go down with those i have a 1oz slug as a last resort.
Lethal cocktail. Like it
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