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Old 08-03-2013, 11:26 PM   #1
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Love watching this guy and believe this weapon would be perfect for a breacher in the Stan.

http://bearingarms.com/watch-fps-russia-with-some-beautiful-aa-12-fully-automatic-shotguns/

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Old 08-03-2013, 11:49 PM   #2
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The AA-12 is heavy and slow. I can put much more volume of fire on target with my Saiga. I can put 10 rounds of 12 ga OO buckshot on target in 1.8 seconds with my Saiga. That is a little more than 2700 rounds per minute cyclic rate!

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i agree with robocop.

shotguns arent frontline troop go to war they are special use in warfare in a specialized role. semi autos and pumps are far more useful its why the military doesnt use them in full auto. they use shotguns to do a very specific task

the aa12 is a fun toy but thats all it really is... a toy

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Robo, i think your math is off a bit. 10 rounds in 1.8 seconds equals 333.333 rounds per minute.

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Robo, i think your math is off a bit. 10 rounds in 1.8 seconds equals 333.333 rounds per minute.
I think he is counting pellets.
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Like JonM says, shotguns have a limited role. They are great breach and trench guns in war. Up close and personal. Trench guns were a thing of WW1. Did you know that the Germans complained about US using shotguns against them? They thought it was barbaric. Well, anyways, most battles in Afghanistan are hundreds of meters away. Shotguns are useless for most of the battles with the Taliban. Cool grownup toy though....

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I don't have an AA-12 but I do own a USAS-12, its 'older cousin' if you will.
They both have the same basic constant-recoil design and weigh within a few ounces of each other so most of the traits of the USAS-12 will carry over to the AA-12, so......

They're both heavy, and I do mean heavy, 12 pounds empty and close to 15 loaded with drum magazines.
They are unwieldy, over a foot tall and close to a foot wide depending on if using a stick or drum magazine.
They have limited range, it's a shotgun after all.
Neither is quick to reload and the magazines are very bulky to carry (think of a foot long 2x4 and you've got the dimensions about right.)

I carried the USAS-12 on a few outings, and I'll be perfectly honest; the added 3 to 10 round capacity did not make up for the added bulk and weight.

Lastly, if you really, really want something like the AA-12 (and it would need a complete redesign to go from open bolt to closed) then you can always purchase a USAS-12. They run about three grand and a tax stamp.

If you just want a hi-cap semiauto shotgun, get a Saiga, it's the better choice.

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Like JonM says, shotguns have a limited role. They are great breach and trench guns in war. Up close and personal. Trench guns were a thing of WW1. Did you know that the Germans complained about US using shotguns against them? They thought it was barbaric. Well, anyways, most battles in Afghanistan are hundreds of meters away. Shotguns are useless for most of the battles with the Taliban. Cool grownup toy though....
When my oldest Brother was in Iraq, he said they used Mossberg pumps to shoot off locked door handles, and clear confined spaces.
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When my oldest Brother was in Iraq, he said they used Mossberg pumps to shoot off locked door handles, and clear confined spaces.
the military uses mosberg 590, remington 870, and the benelli M4
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Jon, what branch uses the 870? Army-590a1, Marines-1014 IIRC.

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