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Old 10-26-2010, 05:41 AM   #11
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Default 1/5 and 1/4 oz?

what does 1/5 and 1/4 oz translate to in grains?

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Old 10-26-2010, 06:21 AM   #12
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what does 1/5 and 1/4 oz translate to in grains?
I look to my shotgun for comfort and 12ga makes me warm and fuzzy inside. I would say that any male over 130lbs should be able to handle a 12ga with some practice so why not?

Is a .410 a good stopper and Hd round compared to a handgun round yes compared to a 12gauge well you get the idea.

Would I hesitate to use a .410 if it was what I had no but would never purchase one specifically for that purpose.

1/5 87.5 grain
1/4 109.375 grain
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Ok, so it appears that eveyone in on page, almost. We all know that projectiles shot from any gun can kill. Heck, even air and percussion only guns.

Here's a link for some basic testing of the .410 rounds and a bunch of other stuff. It has been posted before, but always worth a look see.

The Box O' Truth - Ammo Penetration Testing

Maybe we can do some of our own...hmmm. *notes to save newspaper*

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Default There are many options...

...for the .410 gauge:

BUCKSHOT : Ammunition To Go

Some .410 buckshot loads have pellets as large as .40 caliber.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/100-rds-410-ga-2-1-2-buckshot-rounds.aspx?a=616411

Find a load that shoots well in your shotgun.

At home defense ranges ...

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Okay lets just imagine for a minute here... You break into my house and I pull out my .410 loaded with #4s. If I shoot you, are you HONESTLY gonna keep coming at me? Its gonna leave one heck of an injury and you're gonna be hurtin'. I highly doubt that you'll continue to attempt to rob me...

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12 guage ripps ass. In the dark when you're scared and can't see too far or have the near uncontrollable adrenel rush the 12 guage rules. More shot toward the sound will at least get some piece of flesh. My 77 Y.O. mother had a .410 guage HD shotgun and just recently upgraded to a 12 guage for HD. Mother has shot 12 guage for trap and skeet for just over 30 years now.

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Any 410 buckshot load will do for inside the home defense. The heaviest .410 buckshot rounds will put either five .35" caliber or four .40" caliber lead balls at over 1100 fps on target at 30 ft. with a single pull of the trigger.

.35" pellet: 65 grains x 5 = 325 grains or 3/4th ounce

.40" pellet: 96 grains x 4 = 384 grains

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Default Civil discourse...

...on this topic is best

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Okay lets just imagine for a minute here... You break into my house and I pull out my .410 loaded with #4s. If I shoot you, are you HONESTLY gonna keep coming at me? Its gonna leave one heck of an injury and you're gonna be hurtin'. I highly doubt that you'll continue to attempt to rob me...
#4 shot might make a guy think twice, but dead intruders don't tell lies. Shooting someone in protection of property will get you in trouble in most cases. Defense of life won't. Shoot a dude running away with your new blue ray player and you will have a tough and lenghty defense in court.

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To respond in as civil a manner as possible: That is beyond self defense!
Killing someone bent on hurting you or your family is never beyond self defense. Shoot and not dead, they are still a threat. Never shoot to hurt or just maim. Shoot to kill. A dead intruder tells no lies. How can you seriously think that just knocking some bad guy to his knees is stopping a threat.
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i guess my post was removed ....i guess some people really ,get upset when faced with reality ...i would treat a human intruder the same as a crazed rabid dog .if someone intrudes in my home...they have checked all rights..civil and those bestowed upon buy their creator at my property line. from line to line ,north to south,east to west ....this is my country,my kingdom ,i am king ..ruler ,dictator ,god ....

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