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Old 09-04-2013, 06:38 PM   #11
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Good info C3 about DDs, I hadn't even thought about that ridiculous law. I guess a 4 or 8 gauge is not in the cards for my collection. May we have some more info regarding 10 gauges? Why are are they so rare and does anyone still make them and the shells?

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Well, back in the day, all shotshells were black powder. To throw a larger pattern of shot, and be able to hit at greater ranges (with enuff pellets to drop birds) big was better.

Then along came smokeless powder. And the 3 inch magnum 12 g throws as much shot- harder and faster- than the old BP 10 g. from a smaller, lighter gun.

Is the 10 still around? Yes- goes up to 3 1/2 inch magnums. Mainly goose hunters- steel shot is bulkier, so the greater volume of the 10 g case actually does some good. Just not real common.

FWIW, I have at least one each of 4, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 28, 32, .44 XL, .410, 9mm, 7mm, 6mm shotshells. That is, made FOR a shotgun- not a shot load for rifle or pistol. There was also a 15 g and an 18 g- both scarcer than all get out.

But some had better marketing than others.......

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Old 09-05-2013, 01:13 AM   #13
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.44XL, 9mm, 7mm, 6mm????? I have never heard of these. Please elaborate when you have time. Thanks C3!

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C3, do you have any idea where I might get one 4 gauge shotgun shell?

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Alas, know of no immediate source for 4 g shells. Auctionarms has a few sellers with a variety of collectable cartridges- but those are uncommon.

44XL is the 44 Extra long- metal rifle cartridge, paper bullet filled w/ shot. Ancestor of the .410 shotgun. 9, 7, and 6mm are rimfire shotshells. Metal head, paper body.

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Left to right- 6mm, 7mm, 9mm single charge, 9mm double charge, .410 2 1/2 inch

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FWIW, I have at least one each of 4, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 28, 32, .44 XL, .410, 9mm, 7mm, 6mm shotshells. That is, made FOR a shotgun- not a shot load for rifle or pistol. There was also a 15 g and an 18 g- both scarcer than all get out.

But some had better marketing than others.......
No 20 ga?

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Alas, know of no immediate source for 4 g shells. Auctionarms has a few sellers with a variety of collectable cartridges- but those are uncommon.

44XL is the 44 Extra long- metal rifle cartridge, paper bullet filled w/ shot. Ancestor of the .410 shotgun. 9, 7, and 6mm are rimfire shotshells. Metal head, paper body.

Attachment 117100

Left to right- 6mm, 7mm, 9mm single charge, 9mm double charge, .410 2 1/2 inch
Cool! What were the 6mm, 7mm, and 9mms used for? Were they basically the equivalent of today's rat shot?
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What's up with these? A 10 GA pinfire???

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=360740609

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Sorry- yes, I have assorted 20s.

Yes, the 6/7 mm shotguns were "garden guns". Used to chase bunnies out of you garden without shooting up neighbor's house across the alley.

Pinfires- early adventure into complete cartridges. Each round had it's own firing pin, resting on an internal primer. Falling down while wearing a bandolier of those could be...... interesting.

The really scarce shells were factory hi pressure test loads- "proof" loads. They did not like to let those get out the door. There are also low brass, high brass, all brass and no brass shells. Even have a couple of all aluminum
shotshells.

There is an incredible variety for the collector in the humble shotgun shell.

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Back some 30 years ago when I was a kid, I attended an VFW picnic/BBQ. I remember it very well because on that day they were firing a Salute Cannon.

The cannon fired all brass blank shells that looked to be around 4 to 6 gauge in size. They fired the cannon at least a dozen times or more. They would put the shells on a table to cool after each shot. I remember wanting one of those shells, but it was not to be.

At the end of the day, each one of the shells given to members of the VFW.

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Steady- this one is a Winchester 10 g saluting gun- there WERE bigger ones.

http://www.bellmorejohnson.com/w98instruct.asp

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